Board Thread:General Discussion/@comment-35304678-20180415140951/@comment-35513212-20180507015608

Philosophernoct wrote: Eh, this isn't going to end. I think, Klimen, you should talk other people who are capable of thinking objectively. There are another fandoms. In that fandoms, you can find people who aren't biased and like criticizing. When I first decided to join this fandom, I didn't think that I can find people who are like that. I mean, even admins are biased and doesn't give damn about it. xd. Anyways, I don't care too much this fandom anymore. If you want to join other fandoms, you can send message to me. '''You do realize proclaiming yourself (and anyone who agrees with you) as the only objective people in an argument, is actually the last thing a truly objective person would say. Think about that for a few moments, you'll get it. '''

'''I also find it hilariously ironic that Klimenreal is the most sexist person in this thread. Let's actually regard things objectively. At Circe's Island, Hylla welcomes Percy in and leads him to Circe, knowing full well what will happen to him and even suggesting he deserves it. As punishment for his gender, Hylla wants a little boy to be turned into a rodent, removed of his humanity, and kept in a cage for the rest of his life for the entertainment of others. Circe is a sexist slave trader. Her handmaidens are willing and complicit helpers. This is the real world equivalent of tricking people into human trafficking. '''

'''Of course, Percy and Annabeth manage to get away by unleashing the other slaves who've been captive for centuries. They're not just any slaves either, it's Blackbeard and his crew. In case you don't know your history, Blackbeard is famous for being uncommonly benevolent, treating his crew fairly, and never harming any of his captives. You know, unlike Circe. Releasing slaves is NOT something Percy, or anyone else, should be apologetic about. When slaves revolt against their masters, it is because those slaveholders have brought it upon themselves.'''

'''Fast forward to Son of Neptune, and it's evident Hylla's sexist views haven't changed. As Queen of the Amazons, she perpetrates a system where males are made to wear prison uniforms, wear shock collars, and remain silent, because that is 'their place'. Accordingly, Percy is collared and brought before Hylla, where she blames him for ruining Circe's Island by releasing the slaves they were holding. This is where Percy makes his controversial comment, which is being called "jerkish" and "sexist" and "arrogant".'''

'''Now let's test how equally genders are being regarded here by switching them. Circe is a man and so are all his employees. They turn any female (even children) into pets, keep them in cages, and sell them for money. The released slaves are women pirates and they revolt against their male captors. '''

'''When girl-Percy meets the Amazons years later, she is collared and forced to wear dehumanizing clothing. She is brought before Hylla, an older man who tried to enslave her when she was a child. Hylla is angry at Percy for ruining his Male Paradise, but now that Hylla has left, he has risen above his status as a Ken doll working at a luxury resort. He's King of the Amazons now, so maybe he should thank Percy. Klimenreal, do you still think Percy's resultant, "You're welcome," is even remotely sexist in this situation (or that the Ken doll is related to Percy's comment)? Philosophernoct, do you still think she's being a jerk? It would seem to me Percy is stating her lack of regret for freeing fellow slaves, and her unwillingness to be forced into silence. She is then almost murdered for opening her mouth, because how dare Percy be so arrogant? She should apologize! '''

'''If your side flipped when the genders flipped, here's a newsflash for you: you were viewing this through a sexist lens. Klimenreal, your bias against men is so severe that you label Percy's comment as sexist, and don't acknowledge Hylla's systemized subjugation of an entire gender. In fact, Hylla--one of the most sexist people in the entire series--is your favorite character! I'll close this by pointing out Percy's comment to Hylla isn't based on her gender (unlike Hylla's treatment of him), but based on the fact that Hylla tried to enslave him. Percy himself makes this important distinction by apologizing for inadvertently hurting Reyna. Not for freeing slaves.'''