Board Thread:Antaeus' Arena: Audience Chamber/@comment-1515612-20150930233157/@comment-24067344-20160414204856

8th Hero of Olympus wrote: Hands down? Well, not exactly, as you both took the example with Percy beating Ares out of context, and blew it out of proportion. For instance, 4 years later, when Percy is considerably more skilled than he was at 12, he still is unable to defeat Chrysaor in a straight up swordsmanship duel, and Percy described Chrysaor to be as good a swordsman as Ares. In addition, 13-year-old Percy is rather quickly defeated by Luke, who, in turn, had been defeated by Ares. Hence, the only logical conclusion that we may gather from both of these instances is that in his duel with 12-year-old Percy, Ares (due to being confident in his imminent victory, in line with his personality) held back quite a bit, since otherwise, it would be logically absurd for Percy to loose to Luke, since he had been able to defeat someone that managed to actually defeat Luke, and it would be logically absurd for a much more skilled and experienced version of Percy to quickly loose (twice, in rapid succession) to an opponent of Ares' skill, if he had actually been able to beat a not holding back Ares while being far less skilled and experienced. It just doesn't make sense any other way! Hence, this makes you argument pretty much a moot point, as it doesn't really show Percy being a superior swordsman to Jason, who would have also lost against opponents of Ares and Chysaor's caliber.

8th, I admit that you are an excellent debater, but not this time. I'm going to do this as fairly as I can.

First of all, the reason Percy was defeated so easily by Luke was because he was OUT OF PRACITCE. LUKE HIMSELF TOLD THAT TO PERCY WHILE THEY WERE FIGHTING in The Sea Of Monster. Plus, if you really want to debate about Percy's feats, can I mention that Percy defeated Luke the first time he fought against him? So no, that thing about Percy defeating Ares and losing to Luke is highly flawed. I'll go as far to say, that Percy defeated Luke with a unbalanced sword. Yes, the water helped him a bit, but Percy ALREADY mentioned that his sword was still unbalanced. I know you haven't mention this at all, but that was to make things clear. And yes, Percy's first fight with Percy wasn't really a fight - more like a sword fighting class, but Percy still defeated Luke on his first try at sword fighting, that being extremely impressive.

Second of all, if Chraysor truly was on the level of Ares, then that is a mistake. HOWEVER it is mentioned that Percy was rusty, at least against someone like Chraysor. If Chrasyor was on Ares' level, then if Percy fought Ares let's say around that time, he would've lost against him, But I don't agree. How can a 12 year old Percy held his own against Ares? Yes, Ares was toying with Percy, but THE FACT IS THAT PERCY ONLY TRAINED 1 week, so this fight is extremely unfair, considering Ares has been fighting for all eternity, and Percy with little training, SO IT IS EXTEMELY IMPRESSIVE THAT PERCY WAS ABLE TO HELD HIS OWN AGAINST ARES. Also, still don't believe Percy is a superior swordsman? Well, since we are talking about feats, can I also mention the fact Percy defeated Anteus and Polyphemus as well at age 15 and 13 respectively, at a time were Percy was far weaker in swords-fighting?