Board Thread:Antaeus' Arena: Audience Chamber/@comment-1515612-20161222000128/@comment-24067344-20170312030738

Commander Tool Belt wrote: I would not quote that. Way too long. But just going to say noway in hell is Frank shorter than Percy or Jason. Frank is described as being tall and bulky. At first I thought this meant fat, but later, he says that Hazel kept glancing at him like she expected him to turn into some muscle bound freak. He then looked at his body and sighed, saying 'Correction- even more of a muscle bound freak' which means he was already muscular. When he was first introduced, it was mentioned somewhere (rather implied can't remember but I vaguely recall) that Frank was taller than Percy. Now in House of Hades when he received the blessing of Mars, Frank became even taller, and even more muscular, if possible, and more rugged. He is mentioned somewhere to be about two inches taller than Jason, which puts him at 6'3, cause Percy is said to be about 6'0 and is about an inch shorter than Jason, which puts Jason at 6'1. Now, if we talk about physical strength, I suppose Jason and Percy are about similar. Percy has time and again shown his incredible strength, and so has Jason, (albeit the brick, lol) but Frank is far ahead of them. He broke Alcyoneus into pieces with just one strike, (and he was metal!) as well as took out several soldiers at once simply by bowling into them with his enormous body in armor. Both Jason and Percy have appeal height-wise, build-wise, and strength-wise but Frank is far ahead of them in all three.

First of all, you really don't have evidence that Frank is taller than Percy and Jason. It most likely possible, but it's not really a fact, but more of a probable chance it is. I would like some evidencial support of your statements to confirm what your saying is true- after all, I admitted mine's were simply just assumptions and suggestions of what could be true- but not flat out facts. I think you are ignoring a large part of my post: First, I mentioned Jason has gotten taller, meaning that the 6'1 fact is no longer true (in fact it was not really ever confirmed he was 6'1, that was more of answer that was rather agreed but not really stated or quoted from the series) So anyways, this is what Piper says about Jason's appearance in House of Hades:

"As for Jason, he looked thinner, taller, and more careworn. His hair had gone from close-cropped Roman style to longer and shaggier. The groove Sciron had shot across the left side of his scalp was interesting too—almost like a rebellious streak. His icy blue eyes looked older, somehow—full of worry and responsibility."

Now, we can't completely take this as a fact, but it shows that the characters are continually growing, meaning our information of the character's height, build and body traits are a bit outdated in this wiki in a certain sense (look at Jason's, Percy's, Annabeth's and Piper;s page to see what I'm talking about, they aren;t post MoA as they are supposed to be, but that's besides the point)

Second of all, yes, Frank, had (I was talking past tense in the other post, but you as well, so I just wanted to clarify that Frank did have quite a bit of body fat) quite a bit of body fat. Here are several quotes:

Percy still couldn’t get over how much Frank had changed. A “growth spurt” was putting it mildly. He was at least three inches taller, less pudgy, and more bulky, like a linebacker. His face looked sturdier, his jawline more rugged. It was as if Frank had turned into a bull and then back to human, but he’d kept some of the bullishness."

"He took her hand, his fingers completely covering hers. She couldn’t believe how much taller he’d gotten. He had changed into so many animals, she wasn’t sure why one more transformation should amaze her…but suddenly he’d grown into his weight. No one could call him pudgy or cuddly anymore. He looked like a football player, solid and strong, with a new center of gravity. His shoulders had broadened. He walked with more confidence."

"Frank’s whole bearing had changed. Even Leo had stopped making jokes at his expense."

"Annabeth felt like she’d just had a drink of Roman hot chocolate. She’d never really gotten the term warm and fuzzy, but Frank gave her that sensation.He was just a big teddy bear."

"The burly Asian guy with the buzz cut was about fifteen. He was cute in a sort of oversized-cuddly-panda-bear way."

My point stands. Honestly, you and I can be posting tons of quotes of Frank's appearances throughout the series, and you and I would be right. I think we miss the fact that Frank no longer has body fat (I think he has extremely low body fat) after the blessing of Mars, is when he gotten leaner and lost body fat. I should;ved clarified that in my first post.

I'll also ask you to give me evidence of Frank being taller than Jason by 2 inches-or the wiki would've have put that a long time ago. It'd be nice if you could give me the page number and the book that mentions that.

Also, about Frank defeating Alcyoneus with one strike- that's incorrect. IT was actually with 2 strikes, and it was Hazel who actually killed him, while Frank defeated him. Let me show you what actually happened:

"Hazel dismounted and stood next to Frank, her sword ready. “May I?”

Frank nodded. He looked into the giant’s seething eyes. “Here’s a tip, Alcyoneus. Next time you choose the biggest state for your home, don’t set up base in the part that’s only ten miles wide. Welcome to Canada, idiot.”

'''Hazel’s sword came down on the giant’s neck. Alcyoneus dissolved into a pile of very expensive rocks."'''

I agree that Frank is probably the strongest physically of the 3, but because of Percy's fatal flaw- loyalty to his friends pushes him to higher height of strength and power to save his friends, thus having more impressive feats of strength that Frank, which Frank lacks. I think this is quite well known that one of the reasons why Percy is so powerful is constant worry of keeping his friends safe. That's why feats such as jumping 20 feet across a river in Tartarus in almost death state with Annabeth in his arms, or defeating Arachne, or even holding the sky in The Titan's Curse- it's rare to see someone such as obsessed in keeping his friends safe from danger (his top priority) as Percy.

That;s a major advantage that Percy has against Frank, which is why I consider him to be more stronger than Frank psychically for those reasons, if you get me. Jason is the weakest of 3 of them. I'll also mention that Frank's feats, while very impressive, don't really touch the impressiveness of Percy's feats and achievements. He's fought the strongest titans, giants, some of the strongest gods and magicians. Frank doesn't hold a candle in that regard.