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Sheechiibii wrote: Himeyuka wrote: @Sheechiibii: LOL I'm being the rude one? Have you read what you wrote? Weren't you the one that went after my post to begin with? Aren't you the one that is arguing with four people at the same time? I already said that we'll just have to agree to disagree, yet that obviously wasn't enough for you. Why don't you take a step back and realize how you've handled this whole situation. You just can't accept that you might be wrong or that your thoughts are not Universal truths. I find it funny that you're not satisfied with Leo's development when you've spent more than six posts defending everything he did. I have not seen you mention once a flaw he has. I mean I'm biased towards Reyna, I'll admit that, I'm protective of her so why can't you admit it? Because I can not believe that one that feels disappointed with a character goes to such lengths to justify their actions but comes with little in terms of accepting their flaws.

I might come off as strong when I debate but I wouldn't do so if I didn't have the facts to back me up. I apologize if you think I was rude to you but you're not exactly a ray of sunshine yourself. I'm not trying to argue with anyone, and the only one being hostile is you. Everyone else I have replied to has been nice and we've simply had a conversation about our different opinions on books that we all love. I'm not the one saying I am right or saying you are wrong. I haven't once told you you are wrong, the only one doing that is you, yet you consistently said my only argument was 'I'm right and you're wrong' when nowhere even once have I said anything like that.

I replied to you not to tell you you were wrong but to present you with a different opinion on what could have happened after the book ended, and to perhaps have you explain where you thought the sexism was coming from. And instead of having a conversation with me about it you spoke to me like I'm an idiot. I've re-read the conversation from the beginning and never did I say anything at all that was an attack against you personally or rude. Go ahead and try to find me saying things to you like "who exactly are you trying to fool here", "save your breath", "get a grip" or calling you desperate or pretending you've said things you haven't said. But fair enough, I don't think you understand how you were being rude but it doesn't matter. I just think it's nice to have conversations about things we all love with other people who love them too without having to start attacking each other.

Except the fact that you argued against everything I said, used my own arguments against me and now can't seem to drop it because you just love to have the last word. Actually, I have not insulted you, I've attacked your arguments which you kept repeating without making any kind of progress. Did I call you rude? Did I come after you from the very start? I haven't called you an idiot, I haven't said that you're wrong, I stated that we'll just have to agree to disagree but you just don't want to. This is already my second post that has nothing to do with the BoO discussion because you keep adding fuel to the fire and I don't take lightly to people that poke me with a stick and then pretend I'm the one to blame.

Also, your last post was actually really rude, you might have edited but tough luck, we gent sent the notification with what you initially posted: "There's no point in apologising when you don't seem to see how hostile you are, it's one thing to debate strongly, I'm the same that way, but I don't attack people personally just because they have a different idea than me." Except the fact that you just did, I apologized whereas you continue to come after me, you are just as hostile but fail to see your own flaws. My apology is not sincere? Did you bother to apologize at all or admit that you could be also to blame? No.

I don't want you to reply anymore unless it has to do with BoO. I don't care what opinion you have of me or that you want to rant about my persona. This forum is not for that. Send me a message if you really love complaining that much but don't turn this into an endless discussion just because you want to have the last word.

To me RR wrote pretty clearly that Leo isn't planning on going back to CHB anytime soon: "unknown", "somewhere", "no destination" are clear signs of that. He has absolutely no reason for NOT sending at least a message to his friends and RR didn't have absolutely no reason not to write it. He probably wanted to keep the ending opened but in doing so he made Leo look like a person that puts a girl he barely knows over his friends. This is what me and others have understood from the last chapter. Leo was my favorite character in TLH, the fact that RR butchered him in BoO and took away whatever little development he had in previous books does not sit well with me.

@BenMeOver: The fact is RR could have handled this situation ten times better and not make it look like she was brought back from PJO just as a love interest. Just like you said, there was no need for such a strong character change, Calypso could have still been her sweet (but now sad) self and Leo could have learned to love that. I would have liked for her to be his friend. For him to realize that she's destined to fall for the men that land on her island and question that, feel uncomfortable about it and tell her he'll definitely save her and if she still likes him AFTER that then he'll be more than happy to start a relationship with her. Actually, what I would have liked, was for a girl to land on her island instead. Wouldn't it have been great if a female heroine (someone like Reyna or Hazel or Piper since Annabeth was in Tartarus) would have freed her instead?

I'll go back to saying that RR focused a little too much on the romantic relationships in this series. He pushed bonds that were important to the side so that the others can be with their significant other. More examples? Grover having no interaction with Percy, Frank never finding out if his grandmother managed to survive or not, Jason never making amends with Reyna after everything she did for him. Except for the Caleo ending that I've found horribly written, there's also a whole scene with Jason and Piper. That could have easily been replaced with Jason FINALLY talking to Reyna or Thalia coming back to camp and the two reuniting. The fact that the book ends with Jasiper and Caleo instead of a friends/family theme shows very clearly what RR did wrong with this series and why is now costing him. This was not a good way to end the series, it just felt lacking and poorly handled like RR was taking the last chapters straight out of a fanfiction just in order to please his fanbase. Which obviously didn't happen and he only managed to upset ppl that wanted and expected so much more.