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Laviniak wrote: Okay, I understand your point of view. I still don't agree in some aspects but i see that's what you believe it's truth so I won't talk about this part anymore. I just want make some points more clear to finish this discussion.

First, I am the kind of person that likes romance in general, i like seeing characters falling in love in different kinds of way, but i don't like any relationship particularly.

Second, my speaking  People can't control the gods but they can control themselves it's about moral choices. I agree that when you don't have memories about who you are and what your beliefs are, your decisions aren't real. I agree that the gods were wrong in manipulate Medea's feelings. But ,in my opinion, they were partially guilty about the situation, not completely. Medea had her feelings manipulated, but she still had her memories and consciousness about her choices and who she was, she was still free to choose how to react to this love and Jason was never manipulated, on the contrary, he decided to use Medea to get what he wanted, he had children with her, he gave to her hope and in the end he betrayed her. No gods forced them to do all of this. Their relationship was f*cked up because they didn't care about what was wrong or right, about each other and how their decisions would hurt others.

I apreciate your education and your patience in explain what you think (your english is great) but, sorry, I can't agree with you in this part because it doesn't match in what I believe. By my sight, they could have followed each one their paths peacefully, if they weren't so selfish.

That's what differ their story from Jason and Piper's in my opinion: When Jason and Piper found out the truth, they respected the pain of each other and  when they decided to start a relationship they continued to respect, it wasn't just make the fake memories real. Hello again. Okay, About Medea and Jason... I think Medea, before fall in love to Jason, wouldn't do that terrible things. Do you think she would left her family or kill her own brother? I don't think so. She did these things cause she tried to help Jason. Before all about Eros's arrow thing, I doubt she would even think to do that terrible things, killing her brother and leaving her family. She has done terrible things just because of Jason. She became crazy because of her feelings for Jason. I'm thinking, Medea wasn't fell in love with Jason. It's more like, she has some kind of a love-disease or sickness. That's why I'm thinking this is so wrong. Gods basically driven Medea crazy with change her crazy, love-sick witch. Ethics? I don't think Medea chose to do that terrible things. Gods made her to do these things. She didn't willingly decide to do. She was not already crazy witch like that, but after gods forced her, she became what she is now. (My grammar probably terrible but I hope I explained well.) So, I don't see any free will, decision or ethics, Medea has no free will or decision. Do you think she has, really? Maybe Jason has, cause he wasn't manipulated by some Eros's arrow, or by Hera and Aphrodite, so his actions his own decisions, but Medea... no. She was manipulated by these gods, so she became crazy, love sick witch. She killed her brother, because of her sick feelings for Jason. She killed her children after Jason left her, she became Yandere after she found out this. I don't think she would kill her children, If her feelings for Jason wasn't so sick, she wouldn't even dare to think to killing her children.

Thanks for your compliment. About they could have followed each one their paths peacefully, if they weren't so selfish. Jason maybe selfish, but he was never in-love with Medea. He just used her in his quest. He was not driven crazy, or he wasn't become love-sick. He left Medea, but I understand this, cause he didn't love her. But he has children with her and this part is selfishness. About Medea, she was not selfish, she killed so many people and even her brother, she left her family because of Jason and this is selfishness, but that isn't count, cause she didn't willingly did these things. Her only selfishness, consideribly, in their relationship, is maybe her Yandere side but it was because of her love-sickness and that was because of the gods.

About When Jason and Piper found out the truth, they respected the pain of each other and  when they decided to start a relationship they continued to respect, it wasn't just make the fake memories real.''   Well, their relationship was portrayed as some kind of a fairy tale, If it wasn't portrayed as that, probably they would've become second Jason and Medea. ''

'' I respect your opinions, you love romance. I'm not like you cause I am not kind of person who likes romance, but in the books or story, I would like to see people fell in love not because of some kind of magic, curse, manipulation, memory changing, stoling or some kind of things. Uhh, I wish my English was better. I would've explain much better. ''

And about ''Who says it doesn't work that way? Any relationship works whatever way you want it to. It's your relationship, not someone elses to decide how it should work.''

Yeah, of course you decide how your relationship works, but as I said, in Piper and Jason's case, they didn't decide how their relationship works. Piper's memories already changed by Mist and Jason's memories were stolen in the first place. Hera did this to them cause she thought it could be helpfull in the quest. Sure, maybe they changed this time by time. But in their case and their relationship, It was designed by Hera. Hera decided how it should work. Not Jason, not Piper, but Hera.

You didn't write this topic, but I guess you admitted,  so I answered this too.