Board Thread:Antaeus' Arena: Audience Chamber/@comment-1515612-20160707163148/@comment-25155763-20160825232259

Ea225225 wrote: I really don't want to choose between them, Jason and Hazel are my favorite characters(Leo as well). But if I have to chose who will win in a fight I think Hazel will win. Hazel can control his sword, forcing it to stab Jason. Also, Hazel can use the Mist to trick Jason. Its been discussed

Old post:

Erick.baez.773 wrote: ^^^^I completely agree. Man, the bias is so strong here, like way to much bias here. The others are not bringing up valid points, and are rehashing the same arguments, and clearly are not listening. For example:

MajickPizza: And also, I kind of think it does matter on if Jason knows. How would Hazel control the mist without Jason wondering what's up?

OceanHalo 12: Sh defeated the most powerful sorceress and held off the most dangerous giant, who both knew she had mist powers, and Both could control the mist(Pasiphae) or Destroy it(Clytius).

So they BOTH KNEW she could use the mist, and still lost. Jason, a boy(who are susceptible to charm-speak), and that boy has proven very easily tricked by pretty much the smallest trick of the mist, who's powers are nullified by Hazel's powers (lightning/aerokinesis-geokinesis), has absolutely no chance.

Here are older ones:"Just like Sciron knew that he was on the safe side of the ledge but ended up dying because Hazel made him go on the edge of the ledge wih her mist. Hazel is very powerful with the mist she'll do fine to Jason who has been subjectible to the mist so many time."

"Hazel can counter attack Jason to the mist very easily, like oh my gods people, you really think Jason can outsmart the mist. Yeah like he outsmarted every bit of manipulation such as charm-speak, eidolons and the actual mist.And don't say he can because Hazel literaly outsmarted Pasiphae, the immortal sorceress who made other people vulnerable to the mist and a has used the mist for thousands of year, and Hazel tricked the GODDESS OF VICTORY< the goddess of victory, and in case you haven't heard THE GODDESS OF VICTORY. So considering Jason's previous fly ins with manipulation, and Hazel's experience in the mist, she will counter attack him just fine." Written By Thea Jackson Percys Sister

Both Oceanhalo 12 and TJPS has already given the fact, even if though TJPS might've not say directly at that time, that Pasiphae could control the mist, and she knew the Hazel could control he mist, including Clytius.

"Honestly all I see is Hazel attempting a mist trick but then Jason comes in with his all mighty lighting bolt and strikes her down and finishes her off with his fab sword skilz. It's not like she'll have enough time to recover."

While MajickPizza was mostly joking, why cannot you understand that Jason cannot summon lighting without his sword/weapon? How many times? I feel like all the arguments we made were a waste of time, since you guys seem to ignore everything we write.

For example, I wrote: "Jason roared. A bolt of lightning arced out of the clear blue sky. It ricocheted off his gladius and blasted Percy off his horse."

THEN:

"Jason raised his javelin, and thunder broke open the sky. Every hair on Piper's arms stood straight up. Lightning arced down through the golden spear point and hit the campfire with the force of an artillery shell." Piper, Pg. 127

'''"It's an excellent conductor of electricity." Jason raised his Javelin, and the ceiling exploded.. A lightning bolt ripped through the roof like it was an eggshell, connected the tip of Jason's spear and sent out arcs of energy that blasted the sofas to shreds." Pg. 360.''

With this quotes I once again wrote, it affirms that without a weapon Jason cannot summon lighting. So, has Hazel controlled weapons before??? YES! Here's another example, for those who don't believe that Hazel can control/summon weapons, or at least make it impossible for Jason to fight and summon lighting bolts and storms, here's an example:

"Hazel pointed at Jason’s sword. The gold blade seemed to grow heavy in his hand. It clunked to the table and Jason sank back into his chair."

So, yes, Hazel can control weapons. THEN WHY DO YOU KEEP ACTING AS IF JASON CAN CAN CONTROL LIGHTNING IF HE DOESNT HAVE A WEAPON, since Hazel is going to destroy it anyways???

Another problem that MajickPizza brought up, was this: "But there's only so much you can do with the mist in order for it to completely work when Jason already knows that Hazel can control it."

What do you mean? There's only so much you can do with the mist in order to defeat Jason, just because he know she can control the mist?

Then how did Hazel defeat Pasiphae??? Here's a quote of what SHE CAN DO, even if you know she can control the mist: "She pointed at the feet of the sorceress. A trapdoor opened underneath Pasiphaë. She fell, screaming, into a bottomless pit that didn’t really exist.The floor solidified. The sorceress was gone." - Page 550; The House of Hades ( Hazel defeating Pasiphaë)

And you think Hazel can't do something similar to Jason like Hazel did to the sorceress, WHO KNEW THAT SHE CAN CONTROL THE MIST????

Last, but not least, Areokinesis. You guy seem so desperate to find a way where Jason can defeat Hazel easily, and of all things, you guys picked Areokinesis. For example, look what 8th wrote: ^^^And I have pointed out before that Jason could overpower Hazel (utilizing only flying and aerokinesis) before she would have enough time to utilize the Mist against him.

Okay, so, he will he do it if Hazel has Mist Travel and Shadow Travel, and can disappear and reappear any time? Here's a quote:

"Hazel raced through the battle on Arion’s back, disappearing in the Mist whenever a giant came close, then appearing behind him and stabbing him in the back."

Yup, to sum it up, not only Hazel can stab Jason anywhere when he won't know, but she can also escape from Jason's powerful-gale force winds, since he can't summon winds from every direction.

And yet, no one has answer me besides this from 8th: ^^^Well, you can't really take that as a guarantee, as the Mist has never been shown to be able to successfully counter powerful aerokinesis. Also, Hazel's Shadow Travel and invisibility abilities aren't quite that advanced yet, while Jason is quite experienced with utilizing his powers.

So, Hazel mist traveling abilities were powerful and advanced enough to defeat Giants using it, but not against Jason???? And, including the fact that Hazel has mastered the mist already? So much for me blowing Percy's and Hazel's powers out of proportion, but when you do it, no one says anything.

Plus, Jason has only begun to become quite experienced in The House of Hades, where his wind-powers got more versatile, like summoning lassos/ropes of wind, the same time Hazel started mastering her Mist powers.

You see the problem now? Most of the points from the Jason supporters have already been answered, because we write well-thought, long posts with valid points. The same cannot be really said FOR Jason supporters, perhaps not including Commander Tool Belt and AACM12, and I thank them for their strong arguments. Oceanhalo12 wrote: MajickPizza wrote: Just to let you know, I was just (mostly) messing round on that last paragraph. I thought that might be easier to tell with what my vocabulary and the italics, but that was my fault. And also, I kind of think it does matter on if Jason knows. How would Hazel control the mist without Jason wondering what's up?

Look, I honestly don't even care who wins at this point.No matter how much I used to want Jason win all I really see this ending up in, is a tie. Sh defeated the most powerful sorceress and held off the most dangerous giant, who both knew she had mist powers, and Both could control the mist(Pasiphae) or Destroy it(Clytius).

So they BOTH KNEW she could use the mist, and still lost. Jason, a boy(who are susceptible to charm-speak), and that boy has proven very easily tricked by pretty much the smallest trick of the mist, who's powers are nullified by Hazel's powers (lightning/aerokinesis-geokinesis), has absolutely no chance.

Lightning- no summoning without sword-Hazel Wins

Air- Trick of the Mist(making him believe whatever) or Underground--Hazel Wins

Swordplay- Geokinesis to control Sword- Hazel Wins.

So here's a Scenario: Jason drives his Sword to the sky, but it is immediately knocked out of his hand, shooting down to land by Hazel's feet. Jason summons air to pick him up. Hazel's makes the mist show him he's too high up. "Oh I'll go lower "Jason thinks. He thinks he's about 20 feet in the air, but he's really hovering a foot off the ground. He tries to pick Hazel up, she has her feet in the ground. He decides he'll charge(thinking he's above her), but instead(as he's just above the ground.) earns himself a face-full of dirt.

Hazel can now

A.) Drop him into a slowly closing airtight tunnel.

B.) Encase him in a deadly shell of gems.

C.) Stab Him in the gut

D.) Sink him into the Earth's Lower Crust where HE WILL DIE FROM OXYGEN DEPRAVATION, SEVERE, ORGAN MELTING HEAT, SUFFOCATION/DEHYDRATION MUHAHAHAHA.

I know they're a little cutthroat but I just need you oblivious mortals to see Jason has a slim(if any) chance of winning. Even if He could win, Hazel definitely has a better chance, probably like 80-20 in Hazel's favor.

So if your still saying Jason your just being a blissfully ignorant dismissive Jason Fangirl/boy/non-cis #Pride, which Ironic because you guys are the ones making it a popularity contest, but you claim on any other thread how much you hate popularity contest. To no one in specific of course- hehehe