Board Thread:General Discussion/@comment-24252521-20171123044845/@comment-27320292-20180404020622

Lostofme wrote: Yes, but I wanted to talk about her and I still want to. So, I happened to wrote that. Because, these people must be blind or have an amnesia or  they must lack the ability to think and logic. Because, how can they forgot about these chapters;

''Piper had never wanted to make friends with the Romans. She was too worried about losing Jason to his old life. Maybe unconsciously she hadn't put her best effort into the charmspeak. Now Jason was hurt. The ship had been almost destroyed. And according to her dagger, that crazy teddybearstrangling kid, Octavian, was whipping the Romans into a war frenzy.''

This is from Piper's pov, in the MoA. And this chapter showed us to Piper was never thought about making peace with Romans in the first place. She didn't even hesitate to using charmspeak against them, in the first place. But she supposed to be a mediator. I'm sorry, but how can people see this as okay? Piper did only care about her love life with Jason, but yet, she didn't even care about Jason as a person. She didn't ever care about Jason's old life, his old friends, his old home and family. She didn't ever care about Romans and make peace with them. Let's face this, people. Unless you have an amnesia or something.

And here another chapter from Piper's pov, her thoughts about Reyna;

''She'd put her camp's needs ahead of her emotions. She'd given the Greeks a fair chance.''

I am sorry, but what fair, exactly? Like, Romans were not fair to defend themselves and Greeks are the fair ones, always? And, like, Piper has rights to mind-r*ping them, I'm sorry for my language, but charmspeaking exactly is this. And Greeks has no rights, yet, Reyna helped them as a courage woman. But Piper still thought charmspeaking Romans is okay. She even did try to charmspeak Reyna. (Go and read MoA, Jason suggested Piper to do this. And Piper did it willingly.)

Third example, again, from Piper's pov

''She wondered what the goddess had told Reyna a year ago, and why it had changed the way Reyna treated Jason. Had Aphrodite encouraged or discouraged her to like Jason?''

So Piper knows her mother influenced Jason but she doesn't tell him anything. She didn't even care about this. She knew that Aphrodite playing her favorites. She always knew and suspected this several times. She knew about her love life with Jason based on lies and nothing but an illusion, yet, she didn't even care and didn't do anything about it.

There is a difference between Medea and Piper. Medea wasn't know that she was influenced and manipulated by the gods. She didn't know that her feelings was just an illusion and based on lies. But Piper knows. She was knew, yet, she didn't care. This is a key difference between those to women. Medea wasn't know, but Piper was knew. So, Piper was even more psychopath than Medea, so to speak. Medea's craziness was because of gods and she couldn't do anything about it because she didn't even know. But other hand, again, Piper didn't do anything, although she did know.

I'm sorry, but you must have an amnesia to forgot all about these povs and examples. An there are more off them, by the way. You people should go and read MoA, again. Unless, this thread is worthless because you're thoughts about Piper is useless, illogical and unreasonable. Okay so I'm just going to talk about certain points from this because I either view them a different way or misinterpreted what you wrote.

"She'd put her camp's needs ahead of her emotions. She'd given the Greeks a fair chance.

I am sorry, but what fair, exactly? Like, Romans were not fair to defend themselves and Greeks are the fair ones, always?"

I don't see how this is connected to whether the Romans were in the right to attack the Greeks after Leo fired on New Rome. Piper is not implying that the Greeks are always the "good guys" here, she's recalling how Reyna gave a group that her own group has a history of discord with, a chance to speak. I don't know if I'm interpreting your view of this section very clearly, but it seems you got that Piper was thinking... that the Romans defending themselves was unfair? Where are you getting that? It's about Piper recalling that Reyna gave the Greeks an opportunity to speak despite the two groups' history. It's NOT about what was fair or unfair to each group.

Can you please point me to the part where Jason suggested Piper use charmspeak on Reyna? Not even a specific page number, just events that occurred close to it or something because people keep bringing it up and I can't find it for some reason. >.< And also the point where Piper used charmspeak on the Roman legion aside from the instance where the Greeks were being swarmed which was in self-defense (in that instance they definitely would've died if she hadn't used it then).

Whether Piper's charmspeak is mind-r*** I have a different opinion on because my idea of mind-r*** is more along the lines of what Wanda Maximoff did to Tony Stark in Age of Ultron, but that may be because I've already set a precedent of what I think of mind-r*** as in my head.

And I think calling Piper a psychopath is going a bit too far. A psychopath is defined as "a person suffering from chronic mental disorder with abnormal or violent social behavior." Medea has killed innocent people with no qualms. Piper hasn't displayed violent social behavior and while she does hae selfish private thoughts and obsesses over her boyfriend to the point of annoyance sometimes, this isn't really abnormal.