Riordan Wiki:Administrators' noticeboard/Admin Discussion Center

Inactive
I don't know if some have noticed, but Menara has officially been inactive for a month. It started on September 21st (vacation for three weeks beforehand). Clearly, we cannot demote her like a normal user. I was wondering if we wanted to continue to wait longer to see if she comes back or start a community consensus. SayuriDarling  ~ “And like the sea, I'm constantly changing from calm to hell.”  04:58, October 21, 2013 (UTC)


 * Mmm,  heh, I'm one to talk   perhaps we can demote her to just an administrator and then see what happens from there?  05:07, October 21, 2013 (UTC)


 * I think we should wait until November, make her into an admin, and if she comes back, back to bureaucrat 01:40, October 22, 2013 (UTC)


 * Wassup.


 * What about making her into an admin now (it takes awhile anyway) and then if she comes back in a month, we can just simply promote her again and if not demote her. SayuriDarling   ~ “But a mermaid has no tears, and therefore she suffers so much more.”  04:13, October 23, 2013 (UTC)


 * Sure. Also, we should probably promote a new admin and some new rollbacks. I gave Solo+pbellUNITE rollback and chat moderator rights and demoted Vgfsirius and Erv.


 * Personally, I don't think we need a new admin, but if we did get an admin I would be best if it was someone who wasn't in America because a lot of things happen while we are (supposed to) be asleep. Would you mind creating the consensus blog to demote her? SayuriDarling   ~ “But a mermaid has no tears, and therefore she suffers so much more.”  13:53, October 24, 2013 (UTC)

More admins(?)
Does anyone think that we need more admins and rollbacks due to the recent increase in active users? I'm getting tired of having to delete weird pages and reverting somewhat stupid edits.


 * I think that would be good. Once November starts, I'd suggest, then once we elect our new admin, I guess it would be useless to have Menara as a bureaucrat, let alone an admin anymore? I mean, I doubt she will be ever coming back, sigh (but if she does, we should promote her again). 20:07, October 27, 2013 (UTC)


 * Sounds fine. We need an odd number for voting purposes anyway. It's an even number now. SayuriDarling   ~ “But a mermaid has no tears, and therefore she suffers so much more.”  15:07, October 29, 2013 (UTC)


 * We could use another admin and some more rollbacks. Frodo the 9 fingered~  When You Play a Game of Scones...  20:44, October 31, 2013 (UTC)


 * I'll also be more active again now that my Pokemon high is going down. Also with October passed, I can stop watching scary movies all the time. Darkcloud1111  umbreon1111.gif Fastest Hero Alive  21:45, November 1, 2013 (UTC)
 * So we've established we need a new admin. Possible election dates? SayuriDarling   ~ “But a mermaid has no tears, and therefore she suffers so much more.”  21:50, November 1, 2013 (UTC)


 * 11.11. cuz it looks kool like dat.
 * Okay, lol. Lucky 11's sounds good. SayuriDarling   ~ “But a mermaid has no tears, and therefore she suffers so much more.”  22:09, November 1, 2013 (UTC)
 * Notice how you used a k instead of a c! Totes cool, dawg! Lolz 00:19, November 2, 2013 (UTC)


 * OH GLORIOUS LEADERS OF THIS FANTASTIC WIKI, PLEASE HEAR ME OUT AS I, MOST HUMBLY, SUGGEST THE FOLLOWING: Let us promote not one, but two (2!) new admins and, additionally, promote one of our current admins into bureaucrat position to compensate for the inactivity of Menara. Please leave your input below.


 * It would be fine to have a new bureaucrat and two more admins, but does our workload really need that? Having even another admin wouldn't really change much, so it seems like two might be a bit of an overkill. 22:52, November 3, 2013 (UTC)


 * I really don't think we need two admins. Also, the voting numbers would be off (even numbers are death). I think one would be good enough as long as the people who are running are sufficient. I don't particularly see a reason to need a new b-crat because we don't exactly need to have tons of people promoted or something. Typically you have more admins than b-crats. SayuriDarling   ~ “But a mermaid has no tears, and therefore she suffers so much more.”  04:04, November 4, 2013 (UTC)


 * The point is I want to have as little work as possible. Fair enough. Although it's going to be awkward having to choose only one of the current rollbacks, who are all sufficient for the task.


 * If we can't decide, make them fight to the death Hunger Games style and it can be easily solved. SayuriDarling   ~ “But a mermaid has no tears, and therefore she suffers so much more.”  05:19, November 4, 2013 (UTC)
 * So just for clarification, we're only promoting one person to admin and one person to bureaucrat ( gee, I wonder who that's going to be ), right? -- 14:52, November 4, 2013 (UTC)
 * No, we're just making someone an admin. SayuriDarling   ~ “But a mermaid has no tears, and therefore she suffers so much more.”  15:38, November 4, 2013 (UTC)


 * But then we have one less bureaucrat 'cause Menara left.


 * But usually wikis have less bureaucrats than admins and it's not like we need more people to be promoted to adminship or have a wave of requests for chat mod/rollbacks. We just need someone to be able to delete blogs and pages. SayuriDarling   ~ “But a mermaid has no tears, and therefore she suffers so much more.”  16:15, November 4, 2013 (UTC)
 * Agreed. After all, the only difference between bureaucrat and administrator is the ability to promote. 14:23, November 5, 2013 (UTC)

Are we promoting one admin or two? I'm kinda out of he loop since I haven't been on in a week. Frodo the 9 fingered~ When You Play a Game of Scones...  00:44, November 13, 2013 (UTC)
 * Uno. Ichi. One. SayuriDarling   ~ “But a mermaid has no tears, and therefore she suffers so much more.”  04:18, November 13, 2013 (UTC)
 * On a side note, you should vote, Frodo.
 * I'm still thinking about it. I'll vote tonight. Frodo the 9 fingered~  When You Play a Game of Scones...  19:37, November 14, 2013 (UTC)

Everyone who hasn't voted (Dark and Atelda) need to vote by Sunday because I plan on having elections closed this week. The discussion on who to pick next week and then announce it during Thanksgiving break. SayuriDarling  ~ “But a mermaid has no tears, and therefore she suffers so much more.”  05:59, November 15, 2013 (UTC)

FFAF + Holidays
So I was thinking I would create the blog tomorrow (prayer circle for my mac to be fixed) and then open it for Halloween and Friday. Or we could just do a separate holiday blog because usually people note that it's a certain holiday i.e July 4th. Also, I don't think that holidays should be exclusive to just America so I don't know how that would work really. SayuriDarling  ~ “But a mermaid has no tears, and therefore she suffers so much more.”  06:33, October 30, 2013 (UTC)

Demotion Time
The current demotion time is three months for administrators, but HC and I were discussing about changing it to one month because three months just seems to long. Any suggestions are appreciated and also, should we go ahead and make the forum post to demote her? SayuriDarling  ~ “But a mermaid has no tears, and therefore she suffers so much more.”  16:33, November 9, 2013 (UTC)


 * Three months would be way too long in reality (and even in theory). A month sounds perfectly fine. 05:57, November 18, 2013 (UTC)


 * A month to be considered inactive, yes. However, we should wait at least three months (I'd wait for like five or six) before asking the Wikia Staff to demote her. I know from experience how much of a pain they can be when it comes to demoting bureaucrats.
 * Does anyone mind if take her off the list of administrators since she's inactive? I don't understand why they hate doing it so much. If someone is gone for like over three months they are 10000% gone. SayuriDarling   ~ “But a mermaid has no tears, and therefore she suffers so much more.”  23:39, November 18, 2013 (UTC)

Merging
I know there's a forum discussion, but I really want to see what you guys have to say on the matter. Would you guys really want to merge at all? I don't see much of a point of merging at this exact moment in time, but maybe later next year. Also, since there is all this random talk about merging should we ask Mr. Merchant if he would even consider the idea. Basically we all need to get on chat and talk about if we even really want to do this. SayuriDarling  ~ “But a mermaid has no tears, and therefore she suffers so much more.”  05:02, November 21, 2013 (UTC)

Demotion time for real now?
It's been like four months since Menara last edited, and the last time she logged in was in October, so I think it's safe to say that she's indefinitely left the wiki. Should we make the demotion blog now? We need dat community consensus before she can be demoted.
 * Go for it. I think it's enough time. Also, should we take her off the administrators page? SayuriDarling  |  따뜻함이란 없어  곁엔 아무도 없어  16:49, December 30, 2013 (UTC)
 * Woo demote  19:31, December 30, 2013 (UTC)
 * Alright, she's been demoted now.

Resignation
Hey guys, I haven't been able to get on almost at all since the start of the school year, and it will only get worse as spring progresses. I've gotten really busy with school and sports, and it's gotten to a point where I can no longer make this wiki a priority. I respect this wiki and its users, and I don't want to be deadweight. So, I'm going to resign my admin rights, since I can no longer serve the wiki as much as it deserves. Thank you all and God bless. Frodo the 9 fingered~ When You Play a Game of Scones...  01:32, January 29, 2014 (UTC)
 * You're gonna be missed. :( Come back during the summer! c: SayuriDarling  |  "Everything I've ever let go of   had claw marks on it."  01:36, January 29, 2014 (UTC)
 * I come back just as you leave. How unfortunate. Darkcloud1111  umbreon1111.gif Fastest Hero Alive  01:56, January 29, 2014 (UTC)

Resignation
Hi there, everyone, I've decided to step down from my position for more than one reason. The first being that in the entire month of March, I'm going to have a mass of tests and at the same time I have a grade my parents are less than pleased with, and so I don't have my kindle anymore (but who cares it had that problem again). With that aside, I just recently had a personal conflict which has taken a very bad toll on me. Thank you to everyone :3 22:33, March 1, 2014 (UTC)
 * Wow, we're really experiencing a miniature admin exodus here (first Frodo and now you). Oh well, I hope you'll come back at some point in the future. You'll always have a place here HC.

Lua
Woah, this page hasn't been used in a while. Anyway, as I'm sure you all noticed, there was a global notification about the implementation of the Lua programming language on Wikia, which can be enabled upon admin request. My objective here is to start a discussion about a possible switch to Lua in the near future. I will go through a couple of things for us to consider before making a decision.

Firstly, presumably none of us is familiar with this language. I did some preliminary reading and Lua seems quite easy to learn and to implement. In addition, the Wikia community will always be able to help should there be issues pertaining to inadequate knowledge of the language.

Second, enabling Lua might demand a mass update of templates. Remember that it's being implemented to make template creation and management more efficient, so a fair amount of tweaking is to be expected. The question we should ask ourselves is: With the last book coming out in October, is there any concrete motive to invest the time and effort needed to making a successful switch to Lua on a wiki that, presumably, is going to be low in activity once the final book has come out?

I thank you for your attention.
 * Oops, I read this but never responded. But at this point I don't see the real point in investing on it. Sayuri  Darling | Don’t leave me, I’m so lonely right now.

Citation
I think we need to start going on a mass citation for all pages. People like to take off citations and continue to just spew crap all over pages i.e. powers etc. We were accused of saying that Will Solace was 19 and then Rick Riordan replied saying that he was actually around Nico's age group am i the only one also confused okay cool because will is like at least 16 to me, lol. Anyway, I believe that before we all end of slowing things down on the wiki we need to make sure all the pages are in tip top shape and to do that we need citations. Everywhere. Things that are questionable such as hair color, eye color, height (since RR is fairly vague with those usually) need to be addressed first. Anyway. That's all really. What do you guys think. Sayuri Darling | Don’t leave me, I’m so lonely right now. 03:14, October 23, 2014 (UTC)

The spoiler template/category
Wow it's been a while since this page has been used... Anyways do you think we should remove the spoiler template now that the site has kind of died down and everything? PS sorry I haven't been on in a while.


 * Has it been like six months yet? Let's take it down this weekend because then I have extra time to help take it down and Bella should be back and settled from her vacation of horror . Sayuri  Darling  | And she tried to survive living her life on her own. 16:35, January 26, 2015 (UTC)


 * Okie dokie. ღ  Bells  ］［ Talk | Contributions ღ | ］  07:21, January 27, 2015 (UTC)

Merger
I just want to make sure that all the admins on the three wikis in question have agreed on the merger, and that we can go ahead with it in the coming few days. We can discuss the categories, manual of style, and policies on the new wiki at a later date. Does anyone have anything to add?


 * I'm all for it, and I agree with discussing the policies and manual of style on the new wiki at a later date like you mentioned.
 * Someone should probably contact Birdqueen since I doubt she checks this wiki regularly. Sayuri  Darling | "But a mermaid has no tears, and therefore she suffers so much more."  10:00, May 9, 2015 (UTC)
 * She already stated that she agreed with the proposal. It was mainly you and Bella that I was waiting for.


 * Me and Hype both agree that it'd be easier to just move everything here, and if it's fine with everyone moving the stuff we have there, here. And import the KC content here instead, if that's fine with Bird. I myself will help with everything, including the importing, cleaning up this wiki, and filling in some KC content, then I think I'll be on my way.


 * If you're going to go through with the merger, you might as well discuss the manual of style, policies, categories, and other minutia right now so everyone's not lost in confusion as to what to do with these imported pages. You should take the steps to do the preparation rather than just go all in and improvise. 22:47, May 10, 2015 (UTC)
 * The KC wiki does not even have an official manual of style. I wouldn't recommend making too drastic changes to the one we have on this wiki though, as that would cause a huge workload for us. If anything, we could come up with a different manual of style for all three series, or just standardize everything to follow the CHB wiki model.
 * Either way, it shall be a huge workload. KC will still need a manual of style and realistically, there are very few logical ways to organize the information aside from how it is on CHB so it should look similar no doubt. 05:00, May 11, 2015 (UTC)


 * To be quite honest, you aren't going to get an affirmative yes from me for awhile. I need more than a week for the idea to sit and also there are other complications as Atelda has said above. I don't want to throw Bella under the bus as well, but she thinks the idea is also rushed. I feel like we should flesh out other things. I would rather we have more dialogue before saying yes. Sayuri  Darling | "But a mermaid has no tears, and therefore she suffers so much more."  02:24, May 11, 2015 (UTC)
 * My point was, there's no reason to even discuss this project if we don't know that everyone would be onboard if it does in fact end up happening. I wouldn't want to do all this planning just to see someone say no in the end.
 * Even if it's shot down now, it definitely will not be erased in it's entirety. With so much planning still needing to be done, there's ample room to back out now; yet, once that is figured out, there would be little basis to say no at that point. Similarly, the ideas we initiate in the planning stages here would be helpful to Magnus and KC even if the merger gets shot down now. Thus, whether everyone is on board or not should be irrelevant, and instead an attempt should be made to convince everyone through thinking this out and truly getting a feel as to what we are going to take on. 05:00, May 11, 2015 (UTC)

To be clear, I agreed that a combining of the wikis would be a good idea, not to whether it would be merger or not(I quite honestley don't care which, it will be the same amount of work for me anyway, but still), or whether it would happen right away. I would like for there to be more planning and preparing before starting this. This whole shebang will go a lot smoother if we plan first and import later. The style of the KC pages is all over the place with random bits and pieces missing, so deciding on how they will look will keep everyone on the same page. We may also end up deleting and/or adding pages depending on what info is deemed necessary. This cannot be rushed if it happens. 03:39, May 11, 2015 (UTC)
 * We aren't rushing into anything. There is no set expiry date for this discussion, so we can talk out every detail if you so wish.

Policies
Let's discuss the wiki policies here. I suggest going with the same ones we have on the MC wiki.
 * I think we've only voted on one policy there and it's the talk page one. Also, all the policies that are up there are the ones I basically copied and pasted from here just to have something, oop. Sayuri  Darling  | "But a mermaid has no tears, and therefore she suffers so much more." 05:28, May 11, 2015 (UTC)
 * It's not like policies differ hugely from wiki to wiki. Look at this: w:c:kanechronicles:The Kane Chronicles Wiki:Basic Rules. Then compare it to this: Camp Half-Blood Wiki:Policy. They don't differ a whole lot except for a few wiki-specific things that we have here. The problem on this wiki is that a lot of policies were never enforced. That's why we have a ton of duplicate images for instance.


 * Isn't that the point of moving to a new wiki, I suppose? We're gonna have to monitor all the images and videos uploaded? Edit: I realize how stupid I sound since that is the obvious. Sayuri  Darling  | "But a mermaid has no tears, and therefore she suffers so much more." 03:49, May 12, 2015 (UTC)


 * Media-related messes generally can be fixed with special pages and batch deletes or personalized buttons. The policies along with it should be rather straightforward in terms of warnings and the a subsequent block should the behavior continue. What is harder to enforce and determine is unacceptable user behavior and the punishment fixing it. If the basis of the policies are going to stem from this wiki, I would probably suggest thinning out and revising most of them. If anything, make the more specific policies subpages or something because it's rather intimidating and discouraging to have to read 20+ pages of policies. 00:56, May 13, 2015 (UTC)


 * I think a general wiki policies page would be good, with the rest of the main policy pages linked on the same page. Similar to this, but in more detail.
 * So you mean just a quick overview page of all the policies instead, linking to the main pages? Don't we already have that? Sayuri  Darling  | "But a mermaid has no tears, and therefore she suffers so much more." 02:11, May 13, 2015 (UTC)


 * Yeah, but like Atelda mentioned, we have like twenty main policy pages linked there, that no one ever reads.
 * Also a lot of them are repetitive and could be combined into fewer, more inclusive policies.


 * So what it looks like is combining the policies, condensing them, making them more inclusive. We agree on that, yes? Sayuri  Darling  | "But a mermaid has no tears, and therefore she suffers so much more." 16:02, May 16, 2015 (UTC)


 * I believe so. Unless anyone has anything else to add?


 * Although I've been rather quiet on the merge matter, I'm happy with all the decisions being made. I agree with condensing the policies, as I have heard a few users mention they've gotten lost on the wiki navigating the policy pages ;-; ღ  Bells  ］［ Talk | Contributions ღ | ］  02:07, May 17, 2015 (UTC)

Manual of style
Let's discuss the manual of style here. I wouldn't mind having slightly differing pages depending on the series. We could always standardize everything too, it's not like the KC wiki has a ton of content. Anything that we choose to do could easily get done as far as the KC wiki is concerned. It's mainly this wiki's content that is going to cause some headaches.
 * Well in chat I suggested doing In-Universe like Avatar Wiki, and generally a bunch of other wikis (and I probably should have made it more clear that it was a suggestion), but after looking at a few successful wikis such as Warriors Wiki, and in some cases the DC Database, I'm suggesting we do In-Universe articles, but with the books as headers in the articles like we already do.
 * The KC pages are already in-universe with book names as headers, no? I suggest we do that for Magnus Chase as well by the way. As for this wiki's content, it would require a lot of work for such changes to be successfully made. I'm all for it if we get enough people on-board though.


 * So when you say "In-Universe", I'm assuming that's the point of view, yes? Going along with that assumption, would the main tense be past or present or both? 00:57, May 13, 2015 (UTC)


 * In-Universe is the perspective from which the article is written, yes, In this case being, writing the articles as if the Percy Jackson Universe were the real world, so basically getting rid of phrases such as "Perseus "Percy" Jackson is the main protagonist and the narrator of the Percy Jackson and the Olympians series as well as one of the main characters in The Heroes of Olympus series." That entire sentence is out of universe. Also, seeing as the events have passed, I think it'd be more wise to write in past tense, but that's just my opinion.
 * I think right now we do it in presence and past? Sayuri  Darling  | "But a mermaid has no tears, and therefore she suffers so much more." 02:11, May 13, 2015 (UTC)
 * Right now we do articles (it's terribly inconsistent, I know) the way Wikipedia does them, i.e. we use present tense because the books are still in existence. But my question is do you really, really want to convert over 1,200 pages into a different tense and style? I mean we could do that to KC and MC because they don't have much content, but for PJO and HOO, it's stretch...


 * The issue with making the wiki "black-and-white" so to speak about whether it be all in-universe or "out-of-universe" is that we could easily then miss important literary components from simple labeling such as major or minor characters, main conflict, etc.
 * As to tense, CHB wiki needs to make a few sacrifices as well. Tenses are not as important as content, but their consistency add to the flow of reading. 04:48, May 14, 2015 (UTC)


 * Okay, we need a decision on this one. Are we going to do in-universe articles? If so, I take it we also convert CHB articles to in-universe pov, correct? Personally I don't really have strong feelings either way.
 * In-Universe with past tense? Sayuri  Darling  | "But a mermaid has no tears, and therefore she suffers so much more." 16:00, May 14, 2015 (UTC)


 * Probably present tense since, like Hype said, the books are still in existence. 02:39, May 17, 2015 (UTC)


 * From what I understand though, if we make the articles in-universe they have to be in past tense? Because you're sort of acting as if the books were real, so only the most recent information should be in present tense or something. But again I'm not sure I even fully understood every detail of in-universe articles.


 * Okay so, we'd be writing the articles in past tense, as after every book is released the events of them can be considered as having passed already. In-Universe is writing character articles as if the PJO Universe were the real world, so just as when new information is added onto an article on Wikipedia, it's written in past tense, as that event had passed already. Hope that makes sense.
 * Note: we're gonna have to change every article on here. Basically. Sayuri  Darling | "But a mermaid has no tears, and therefore she suffers so much more."  20:09, May 17, 2015 (UTC)


 * Well that's what I basically said earlier. We'd be taking on a huge task by making our articles in-universe. Another alternative would be to convert the KC pages to fit the format we currently have here, but I do acknowledge people might be against that. But again I'm not against in-universe articles, just saying it's gonna require a lot of work.


 * "In-Universe" perspective only applies to character, groups, and weapons, basically pages from information from the books really. Other articles such as the book articles, cast and crew of the movies, writer and artist's pages are automatically classified as "real world" pages, and wouldn't have to be converted.
 * That doesn't change anything about size. It's still a majority of our articles. Sayuri  Darling | "But a mermaid has no tears, and therefore she suffers so much more."  17:26, May 18, 2015 (UTC)


 * So does everyone agree with making the articles in-universe?


 * I'm not partial either way. I feel as if it would be easier to convert to the CHB format (less pages to convert and said pages are usually being rewritten anyway), but I'm not against in-universe. I am not completely sure what we would be converting to in-universe in the say the Annabeth Chase page. Would it just be the introduction and anything that refers to her as a "narrator" or "character?" (sorry if this is obvious, I just don't completely understand what would be changed) 01:45, May 20, 2015 (UTC)


 * It's okay, Bird. Epic and I also had trouble grasping the concept as well to what would be changed. So anything that refers to her as a "narrator" or main character would be erased. Correct me if I'm wrong (Neptune), but Annabeth's intro would become: Annabeth Chase is a 17 year old Greek demigod daughter of Athena and Frederick Chase. She is the head counselor of Athena's cabin, the architect of Olympus, and one of the Prophecy of Seven. Annabeth is currently in a relationship with Percy Jackson. I mean, we could use present tense with in-universe articles, but I don't think it's as professional? or something like that. Sayuri  Darling | "But a mermaid has no tears, and therefore she suffers so much more."  01:54, May 20, 2015 (UTC)


 * Ah thank you that makes much more sense! I'm still not leaning either way particularly, but I understand how we may change to in-universe writing better. 03:01, May 20, 2015 (UTC)


 * I'm not too sure on using just past tense. It can loose the timeline of events, like flashbacks or future predictions or just relevant past information that gives context to the "present" situation. Most wikis that I've come across that utilize in-universe perspective write using a historical present. 16:13, May 21, 2015 (UTC)


 * I got confused somewhere, Atelda's right about the historical present needing to be used. And the introduction sentences of each article are supposed to be in present tense of course.

Links
One of the things that bothers me about this wiki is the amount of links that we use. We only need things linked once when they are mentioned first and by full name and then not throughout the rest of the article. I think there can be some exceptions to the rule such as for lists of things on someone's page or something. Also, I would wanna clarify how we do apostrophe's for them Percy Jackson's or Percy Jackson's. I would prefer the first one. Sayuri Darling  | "But a mermaid has no tears, and therefore she suffers so much more." 05:33, May 11, 2015 (UTC)
 * The apostrophe's should be outside the links, generally. I don't know how we started to put them in the links.
 * I suggest we implement the following: Wikipedia:Wikipedia:Manual_of_Style/Linking. And I agree with Neptune on the apostrophes.


 * Soooo...the stigma I have with apostrophe's (punctuation in general really) is that because links are generally in a complete different color standing out from the rest of the article, it's pretty easy to obliterate the punctuation when it stands "separate" from the actual link. Keeping the punctuation with the link color allows for better clarity and easier reading is how I see it (especially if it's like " Ouranus' " with only an apostrophe necessary). In the case for length or coding, linking is one of the easiest skills for "coding" thus even when editing, someone should easily follow even if it's like Percy Jackson's and laziness is not a excuse. 01:05, May 13, 2015 (UTC)
 * Lol, I forgive you Atleda. I think it's just a more standard to do it outside of the links and that it would be easier for new users as well. Sayuri  Darling  | "But a mermaid has no tears, and therefore she suffers so much more." 01:12, May 13, 2015 (UTC)
 * Besides Wikipedia puts the possessive s outside of the links. And we all know Wikipedia is always right.


 * Idk, if newer users cannot handle simple brackets and a few repeated words, it doesn't spell much of a future for them on a wiki with other coding.
 * Navy blue and black blend (in reference to Wikipedia). Tan and light tan blend (in reference to Avatar wiki). Orange and black don't. If you're going to have such a stark contrast in colors, it'd be wiser to decided case by case. Just because something is already established does not mean that they set the standard for everything. Wikia was created in competition to Wikipedia in a sense. If we directly copy them in every single sense, what is the point of them being separate? It's fine to rely on one another once in a while, but Wikipedia is not the precedent to be followed like a puppy. 04:48, May 14, 2015 (UTC)


 * Uh the links are blue on the new wiki, not orange. Even if we were to merge everything here, we'd change the theme to match the Riordan wiki. And Wikipedia literally sets the standards because we use their software here.


 * They just look orange because of the red links on the infoboxes. Sayuri  Darling  | "But a mermaid has no tears, and therefore she suffers so much more." 15:59, May 14, 2015 (UTC)


 * By that logic, Britain's governing system should be the standard for multitudes of countries because the majority of the world was under their control at some point in time. Or that Ford sets the standard for mass production because everyone uses the idea of the assembly line. Or the Native Americans set the standard of living because we use their land. If we wanted everything to follow Wikipedia's standards, what is there to discuss?
 * Meanwhile, I suppose you have a theme in mind that I guess I'm simply just unaware about. 02:36, May 17, 2015 (UTC)


 * Well if you look at the commonwealth of nations many of them do have a government similar to that of the UK. These are countries that Britain pretty much founded, like Australia for instance. As for mass production, it possibly cannot stay the same for a century because of innovation and advancements in technology. The free market takes care of that. Similarly, people will not be using MediaWiki a hundred years from now. Besides you're trying to draw similarities between mass production on assembly lines and a freeware product used online. One is a very capital intensive process whereas the other is an open source project. But anyway, my point is Wikia uses Wikipedia's software and develops on top of that. That's why Wikia has the chat feature and blogs whereas Wikipedia does not. But that's also why the editor looks the way it does, or why a lot of the standards here are similar to the ones on Wikipedia. But anyway I'm not even sure how this discussion is beneficial to us at this moment in time. I don't even care which way we do links to be honest.


 * I agree it this discussion has gotten out of hand for simple links, my bad. Nonetheless, I'm simply making the assertions that we're so quick to jump to Wikipedia as an argument or outline for the merger. It's not so much the particular examples as it is the logic I argue against. That also goes for this entire merger. If you truly think that we should base everything off of Wikipedia, then that's fine and I suppose I'll concede if you really think so. Yet, while I think it's okay to have an idea based on a pre-existing notion, the heavy reliance simply becomes conforming and I think we can do better than that.  06:21, May 17, 2015 (UTC)


 * So do we put the possessive s outside of the links or inside? We need a decision on this one too.

Pages
The original plan was to import all articles. I don't know if anyone has issues with that. If so, feel free to tell us about it here.

Citations (Because this really doesn't fall under the manual of style, I'm just going to go generic) Some (very few really) pages have citations with the majority of pages do not. It would be pretty easy to incorporate this onto Magnus considering it's new with no content related to inside the books, yet it would be rather hard to begin this habit on CHB and KC since they already have establish content. It would add to the wikis professionalism, yet it's also not entirely necessary. Thoughts? 01:10, May 13, 2015 (UTC)


 * I also agree with using citations. It's always been a serious problem, or (morons) delete the citations and then the page ends up with none. See: Percy Jackson only having like 2 citations when it's the longest page on our wiki with the most content. I think it will be easier with KC since there are only three books. If the merger happens I think we should do it on KC first since we need to update/clean up those pages first anyway. Sayuri  Darling  | "But a mermaid has no tears, and therefore she suffers so much more." 01:16, May 13, 2015 (UTC)


 * I'm all for referencing/using citations but it all depends on how we do it. I mean I've seen this wiki reference in pages, referencing to the actual book page of when whatever happened, but a lot of wikis also just reference to the book or episode, or movie in which whatever happened. Which one do we use? I mean the first option is more detailed, but book pages vary depending on which version you get (digital or paperback). I'm re-reading all the series to prepare for this potential merger, so I wouldn't mind going back and adding citations.
 * No, I would not just reference the whole entire book. That's not even helpful, lol. Episodes are easy because there are probably so many to pick from i.e. Naruto has like 500+ episodes. We would just need to standardize how we cite, "The Lightning Thief (US), 120." or something like that. All the admins are basically going to have to re-read all the series anyway. Sayuri  Darling  | "But a mermaid has no tears, and therefore she suffers so much more." 02:11, May 13, 2015 (UTC)
 * I guess we could at least reference basic stuff that people tend to get wrong e.g. physical traits and age. We could also standardize them so that we only refer to the book's chapter, not to any specific page. It would give us more leeway and save us from any potential headaches.


 * I think we should use chapters to be more specific with citations (as Hype said). To make it easier and less complicated to cite, we could make a citation template (such as the Warriors Wiki has). It makes citing much easier, and users are less likely to skip citing since a template takes less effort. 22:28, May 13, 2015 (UTC)


 * I personally like knowing the exact page that everything is on instead of roaming the whole entire chapter. The chapters can get especially long. Most people will be using the US or UK version of the book anyway. The version can't be that different by adding a "u" to words, lol. Sayuri  Darling  | "But a mermaid has no tears, and therefore she suffers so much more." 00:14, May 14, 2015 (UTC)


 * The only thing is that you would also have to specify between the hardbacks and paperbacks because the page numbers differ between them. People with e-books would also be unable to cite, but the rest of us could always cite for them. 02:59, May 14, 2015 (UTC)


 * I do like the idea of a template though. It sounds good for standardizing things. For saying if it's paperback or not we could do something like "The Lightning Thief (Paperback), 120" or I guess just follow sort of what Warriors has. The template they have is here. Sayuri  Darling  | "But a mermaid has no tears, and therefore she suffers so much more." 03:14, May 14, 2015 (UTC)


 * Chapters are ridiculous, like Warriors wiki has them for ebooks and the citations are basically useless. You can always specify books, and it's a pretty easy template to set up if you ignore the switches and if/ifeq clauses. If push comes to shove, I would suggest using the US version since we use American language (yes, that is a thing). Also though, what are we going to cite? Article types such as monsters, weapons, locations, settings, etc generally? Or are we going to go a step further with biography, abilities, etc? (Manual of style-type of question but it's pretty generic still.) 04:59, May 14, 2015 (UTC)
 * I think it's important to cite abilities (people seem to be obsessed with them and psycho with them here). Also, descriptions are important as well such as cabin descriptions. Like probably half of it is fanon. Sayuri  Darling  | "But a mermaid has no tears, and therefore she suffers so much more." 05:45, May 14, 2015 (UTC)


 * We can include the page number in the references. We could even allow e-book readers to use references. We just have to make sure to always specify which version of the books we're talking about (be it with a template or without). And I think it goes without saying we only allow American versions of the books to be referenced.

Categories
By far the most problematic part of this project. Neptune & I had a few ideas about categorizing, but I think we should first ask you all about how you would like us to go about categorizing pages from the different series.


 * Earlier in the week, I suggested that we follow what the Avatar wiki has done for the two different wikis. They simply just add (Korra) to the end of it. So for example it could be Gods (CHB) or Items (CHB). Instead of filing them with PJO or HoO it's better to let it stand for Camp Half-Blood Series since that is what Rick calls it. I also would like to continue to categorize things with books since that is easiest. Sayuri  Darling  | "But a mermaid has no tears, and therefore she suffers so much more." 05:28, May 11, 2015 (UTC)


 * Well the original plan was to follow the Avatar wiki's model and kind of imitate their approach wherever we could. I think it would be by far the best way to go about categorizing our pages.