Board Thread:Antaeus' Arena: Audience Chamber/@comment-1515612-20150930233157/@comment-27047210-20160511100548

8th Hero of Olympus wrote: Phoenixfire232 wrote: How is this even a question? Percy, obviously. Here is a list of some of his accomplishments:

He killed a minotaur with his bare hands, escaped Circe's island, successfully navigated both the Sea of Monsters and the labyrinth, defeated the titans, turned down immortality, SURVIVED TARTARUS... and a lot more. ^^You're blowing Percy's feats out of proportion, I'm afraid - he had help in escaping Circe, navigating the Sea of Monsters and the Labyrinth, only held his own against Hyperion and Kronos with the Achilles Curse (since without the curse, he was almost defeated by Iapetus, the weakest Titan, and was effortlessly defeated by Atlas). He also had help from both Iapetus and Annabeth in surviving Tartarus, so that doesn't count as much either.

Jason, on the other hand, single-handedly defeated a Titan without the curse of Achilles, held his own against quite a few Giants, even Porphyrion himself (with some help from Zeus).
 * snorts*

Jason was much, much, MUCH older than Percy when he apparently 'single-handedly defeated a Titan without the curse of Achilles, and had much more training (handed over to Hera and the Romans when he was an infant, anyone remember that?).

Also, I find it rich how you say that Iapetus was the weakest Titan, and yet KRIOS was the one left babysitting Atlas while Iapetus was sent on continuous missions (assuming, from the Demigod Files, seemed like it wasn't his first time). Not to mention that Iapetus proved stronger than Hyperion and Krios in 'The House of Hades'. Plus, Percy was extremely weak by that time from the Keres, yet—oh! HE DEFEATED IAPETUS. He was almost defeated? Pfft. HE defeated Iapetus, (in an extremely weakened state) not the other way around.

And saying Percy only defeated them with the Achilles curse is kind of irrelevant. Saying that him using the curse is like saying that you shouldn't count anything Jason has done using his powers inherited from Zeus.

Because saying that 'oh, Jason could've done that if he had the curse' is like saying 'oh, Percy could've done that if he had wind powers'. But both don't have those abilities. What matters is what actually existed, and Jason certainly had his powers, and Percy most certainly had the curse of Achilles (which he earned, let's face it. Bathing in the Styx is not an easy thing to do).

Oh, another thing.

How dare you say him surviving in Tartarus, albeit with help, doesn't count for anything?

Tartarus is literally everyone's worst nightmare. Even Hades and Thanatos had no control over it.

Within it, Percy and Annabeth faced several primordials, several gods, and outsmarted them. They had to face their worst friggin' nightmares, were confronted with curses and shame on previous deaths. I, for one, would've gone insane, and I'm sure several others would've, too. Including you.

You say people are blowing his feats out of proportion. I say, you're belittling them.

He killed a Fury and a Minotaur, both renowned monsters with no training period. He was later sent on a quest where he had little to no training (a few weeks at most), and managed to defeat Ares, the apparent god of war (or did he have help for that? pfft.).

You say the Curse of Achilles gives him an unfair advantage. I say that's an accomplishment in itself. Yet you act like it was just GIVEN to him. He had to endure the pain, and concentrate on not dying.

I won't say, outrightly, that Percy is better than Jason, because we really don't know much about the latter. But I will say that I KNOW FOR A FACT that Percy is pretty dang amazing. If you can't admit that, you're just being plain stubborn, with a bucketload of salt on top.

One more thing:

" Jason, on the other hand, single-handedly defeated a Titan without the curse of Achilles, held his own against quite a few Giants, even Porphyrion himself (with some help from Zeus)."

DO YOU REALIZE HOW HYPOCRITICAL THAT IS UGH

(also, Zeus didn't help him with Porphyrion, he helped him with Enceladus, the smaller anti-Athena that breathes fire, get your dang facts right)

Oh, sure, let's say that none of Percy's achievements count because he got a bit of help on all of them, and FOR SURE none of them were too impressive, like, getting through Tartarus (while focusing on protecting his girlfriend)? Nah.

But Jason! Oh, if Jason got 'some' help from Zeus, it's totally cool, it was all him.

Never MIND the fact that when he was facing ENCELADUS, he broke his lance and was about to get killed, excepting the fact that Leo and Piper came to his rescue. Is that holding his own? Yeah, for about 5-15 minutes.

And, never MIND the fact that when he was facing Porphryion, he held his own for ONE hit when he hit his ear and blasted him with lightning (like, 30 seconds) before he literally thought, and I quote, "Something in Porphryrion's voice told Jason he wasn't bluffing.

''Jason and his friends had had a good run. The three of them had done amazing things. Yeah, even heroic thing. But as the giant raised his spear, Jason knew there was no way he could deflect this strike.''

This was the end."

That is, until Leo and Piper got Hera's cage open and Hera was about to release her fury on the poor Giant.

Sigh.

If that doesn't count as help, I don't know what does.

So, again, PLEASE, just make sure you actually know your facts before you go criticizing several people's hero. I assure you, someone WILL correct you.