Board Thread:Antaeus' Arena: Audience Chamber/@comment-1515612-20161222000205/@comment-39953712-20190809200545

I am One of Me wrote: Housedunn wrote: So piper’s charmspeak is stupid. I just finished reading the HoO again so i’ll run done as much as I remember. Her charmspeak is less effective to people people how anticipate it, how are not attracted to her ( not necessarily female), emotional people (like enraged), or people who can charmspeak themselves. These things are not end all be all hard counters because you can see that annabeth is effected by it even tho piper wasn’t try to charm her. Also manipulating intentions ( like convincing a sleepy person to sleep) and singing can amp the charm. So personally I hated piper throughout the entirety of HoO and find her now manageable in ToA, and I personally love calypso, but either way I have to give the win to piper. Since she her singing give her mind control, completely overriding a character with killer intent, and can charm inanimate objects and GAIA, arguably the most powerful being in the verse, I really don’t see a ceiling cap for her powers. She was just sing control calypso, and that’s a W for her. If you wanna argue if calypso can resist it, it’s possible tho hiring her with a “LOOK THE OTHER WAY!!!” can give the opening she need to take the win. Also she’s better at fight then calypso. She’s the worst swordfiigher out of the seven but she can probably beat most other demigods out there Well, to try and make charmspeak less stupid, Annabeth was affected but was still able to resist. Her singing doesn't actually give mind control, it's like Orpheus. It can affect normal characters but probably works poorly on a Goddess. Festus doesn't really count as inanimate either. Piper can't charm a cardboard box (probably can't). While "LOOK THE OTHER WAY!!!" could work, Calypso could just use the wind so that she couldn't hear it. Calypso is also capable of singing to charm people (apparently). If all other things fail, there is the automatic win method of revealing her divine form, which probably shouldn't be allowed as there is no point to this discussion if it is.

I can’t really make it less stupid. It’s probably made to be as irrational as love. So I went back in to the book to reread this part and will leave page numbers also. So when the Seven gets to Athens, Kekrops the snake king, boards the Argo II and insists to help them. Piper starts singing and convinced to the make to reveal the plot to betray them and to lead them into the underground. She forcefully flips his intentions, pull information out of him that he doesn’t want to share, described his his eyes glossy swaying and in a daze, and as soon as piper stop he goes back to his old ways trying to kill him. If that is not mind control imma pack up and go hom cuz I don’t what is. Also Idk Orpheus that well but I’m pretty certain that he couldn’t do stuff like this. What I read is that he was the Son of Apollo that played so good that Hades allowed him to take his wife back. The pages are from my iPhone kindle (Blood of Olympus, pg 383-399) Also piper charmspoke Gaia in the air over the biggest battlefield in Greco-Roman history in the middle of a storm so noise might be a non factor and if calypso going divine form is debatable but nevertheless piper can.... look away. The main characters of the series have fought MANY gods and none of them thought to use it except for a get away or a last ditch effort so I don’t think can fight in it and is probably at least inefficient. Calypso would have to pin her to get mileage or piper can just not pull a Jason