Board Thread:Antaeus' Arena: Audience Chamber/@comment-1515612-20150930233157/@comment-24067344-20151222134959

8th Hero of Olympus wrote: LaraFang wrote: I think that you should remember that Iapetus/Bob was the only Titan that did not crumble into ashes, unlike Krios and Hyperion, the Titans that are 'supposedly stronger' than Iapetus/Bob. So Bob/Iapetus is NOT the weakest Titan.

But see, I could argue that Hyperion and Krios "crumbled into ashes" only because Tartarus had managed to catch them off-guard, not giving them the chance to face him in combat, where the possibility of them doing better against him than Iapetus did is high, as Tartarus uttered that statement while fighting Iapetus, implying that he knew that Krios, and definitely Hyperion, would have fared better against him in a straight-up physical fight. At the very least, however, I hope that we can still agree upon Iapetus being objectively weaker than Hyperion, as the latter has been confirmed by both Annabeth ("The Last Olympian") and Percy ("PJ's Greek Gods") to be the 3rd strongest Titan, after Kronos and Atlas, and therefore, by definition, more powerful than Iapetus. Hence, another reason why Hyperion crumbling to ashes from Tartarus' attack while Iapetus did not, is not a good argument. Regardless of your refusal to accept it, Iapetus is not all that powerful compared to some of his fellow Titans.

Hence, back to my original argument - Percy was only able to beat Hyperion because he was superhumanly enhanced and rendered invulnerable by the Curse of Achilles at the time, and without the curse, Percy was unable to defeat Iapetus, while Jason without the curse was able to defeat Krios, who has been confirmed to be more powerful and formidable an opponent than Iapetus. Hence, taking that into consideration, I think it stands to reason to say that Jason Grace would defeat Percy Jackson in a duel.

How many times are people going to say this, Percy did defeat Iapetus, and if you remember clearly, he defeated him, badly injured and exhausted. Also, Percy was the only one, who managed to injure Iapetus, while Nico and Thalia did literally nothing. They couldn't even battle Iapetus for even a moment, for Iapetus shrugged them off, as if they were nothing. And remember, Thalia is excellent in combat, and better experienced than Percy at that time, but she literally did nothing, including Nico as well.

And about Hyperion, yes, Percy had the Curse of Achilles at that time, but he literally, didn't need it. The only moments he needed was when, Hyperion shouted, and " A wall of force slammed me through the air-" and Percy sailed back 300 yards and smashed into the ground. The fight against Hyperion was mostly water vs fire, not combat. So, honestly, we really don't know if Percy could've defeated Hyperion if it was only combat, and not fire vs water. But besides Percy going back 300 yards and smashing into the ground, Percy actually didn't need the Curse of Achilles, since it was "water vs fire".

Also, stop doubting Percy. Percy has showed enough times, that he can defeat opponents much more powerful and bigger than him. Jason, on one hand, has only defeated Krios in his past, possibly the only opponent that is worthy of mentioning, as the other monsters he defeated in his past are most likely "small ones" compared to the ones Percy defeated. And Jason in the present, only defeated Phoryphion, with help from Zeus, defeated Otis and Ephialtes, with help from Percy and Bacchus, defeated Enclelados, with help from Zeus as well. The Point is, as far as we know, Krios is the only Titan, where Jason, probably defeated him single-handedly. Jason, in the entire series, needed help from someone who could help him defeat the giant, while Percy didn't. Also, We don't know what happened with Krios vs Jason, so for now the feat is irrelevant, as we don't know a single thing in the battle.

While Percy on the other hand, has defeated monsters, giants and titans, much more bigger and stronger than him. And yes, Giants and monsters far more powerful and stronger than Krios, at least some of them. The following including:
 * Defeated and injured Ares, at the age of 12, with barely to almost no training. This is by far, one of the greatest feats of any demigod, for Percy barely knew anything about sword-fighting, and was able to fight him in a very long duel, ultimately defeating him.
 * Defeated and injured Polyphemus, single-handedly, while being out of practiced in The Sea of Monsters. Once again, Percy is able to defeat a Cyclops, that was " 15 feet tall" and much more powerful than him. Once again, Percy defeats(and almost kills) and other powerful being, while being "out of practiced".
 * Percy also defeated, injured and killed Anateus, in The Battle of the Labyrinth, with just his sword.
 * Easily over-powered Phobos, a minor god, in a matter of seconds, forcing The God Phobos to run away from Percy, in The Demigod Files.
 * Battled Kronos, the most powerful Titan, in a very long duel, with instances were- " With a yell, I kicked his legs out from under him. The Scythe skittered across the pavement" Percy was powerful enough that Kronos' Scythe was knocked out of Kronos hands (And remember, both Kronos and Percy had The Curse of Achilles, so this was a very fair fight. I realize that Kronos was not at his strongest, and Percy was, but compared to the others, including Krios, the Titans looked like babies compared to Kronos).
 * Percy has defeated/ Killed/ Stood his ground with others, such as Polybotes, Otis, Ephialtes, Thoon, Hades, Ahklys, Setne, Hercules, Iapetus, Cacus etc.