Board Thread:Antaeus' Arena: Audience Chamber/@comment-1515612-20170321230658/@comment-31388134-20170325225228

Pro time wrote: Ea225225 wrote: Pro time wrote: Coolguypro777 wrote: RYCBAndRemember wrote: This thread is rather amusing to read, especially when we get to the countryist "isn't Canadian" thing.

In general terms, keep in mind that Percy is currently the strongest demigod son of Poseidon, one of the Big Three. Frank is the strongest demigod son of Mars, who is "merely" (in relative terms) the god of war. Riordan has generally written Big Three demigods (note that I'm saying demigods, not legacies) as being so powerful that, if they go all out, only other Big Three children can match them in strength, as far as demigods go. So that right there implies that Percy has the upper hand. He can summon earthquakes (Son of Neptune), call great quantities of water from anything connected with water, water-carrying, or watery environment (Battle of the Labyrinth), create hurricanes (Son of Sobek), cause volcanoes to erupt through explosions and tectonic shifting (The Last Olympian), and even control water-based substances such as liquid poisons (House of Hades). Frank, on the other hand, just has shape-shifting, tactics, and weapons mastery. Percy's power level vastly outstrips Frank's power level. (Imagine, for example, pitting Beast Boy against Aquaman in DC Comics. Not exactly a fair fight.)

That being said, Percy often holds back, and with great powers come great energy drains. So a large part of the fight will depend on whether Percy holds back, and if he goes all out, whether Frank can dodge most of what Percy throws at him. If Frank's agility is high enough, then he will be able to take minimal damage and come out of the more intense part of the fight better prepared for the endgame. If he survives that long, then he will probably be able to take Percy down.

There is also, of course, the question of what environment they fight in. A lot of Percy's powers require concentration to hold for more than a brief moment, and as a result a particularly distracting environment might give Frank an edge (especially as Percy is particularly ADHD and dyslexic). Not to mention how worried Frank might be about Annabeth killing him if he kills Percy as opposed to how worried Percy is about Hazel killing him if he kills Frank. Or the reason they're fighting in the first place. There are several factors that could give Percy the disadvantage.

Overall, my instinct is to say "Percy wins," not because of popularity but because he is proportionately stronger than Frank. However, I do recognize that there are many factors that could tip the balance in Frank's favor. Yes,but Percy powers are not good against small animalse.g.flies so Frank can turn into one and fly into Percy 's ear when he is distracted,wondering where Frank has gone.Then when Frank goes into Percy's ear,he can grow into a elephant which will kill Percy,Honestly,this is a toss up and it depends on where they fight and what Frank turns into. Frank has to know the animal really well in order to turn into it. He doesn't know small animals like flies in detail, hence why he never turns into a small animal in the series. Also, Percy can summon the sea from anywhere and just knock Frank off his feet. Frank also can't turn into animals when he is wounded, so a quick attack at the start could impede his ability. Oh please stop. Stop with comparing these fights with superheroes, it's cringy. Can't believe you actually compared this to Beast Boy vs Aquaman...Also, you do know that this is a sort of fanfiction fight, they are aloud to kill each other without getting worried about someone else. But the rest of what your saying is understandable, you seem like a good debater, and I'm exicted to see you in this wiki more. Pro time, It never talked about Frank talking or meeting a gorilla, but still turned into one. Also, on how you're saying it, seems like the only animals Frank  can turn into is an elephant, gorilla, weasel, lion and a dragon since those are the only animals Frank has turned into in the series. But Frank has shown a bunch of times of turning to animals he rarely knows well. It's also been stated of Frank turning into a swarm of insects. a swarm will be too much for Percy to handle and eventually one will get inside either Percy ear, nose, or mouth. Also a gnat by itself can still go inside Percy. There are a lot of people who can barely see a gnat when flying away, so it could still sneak up on Percy. Also, how is Percy going to be so sure that gnat is actually Frank. They're are gnats EVERYWHERE, so there is a chance Percy would have ignored it instead. You're missing the point. Everyone knows about the features of animals such as gorillas or fish so Frank could turn into them. Gnats are minute, their features are very hard to distinguish unless you are experienced in binomial classification. Yes, Frank can turn into a swarm of bees (they're much larger than gnats and well known) but a blast of water can easily disperse this swarm. Frank does not control the individual bees, rather the swarm as a whole so blasts from Percy could cause serious problems. Frank has also been known to lose control over his shapeshifting ability under pressure, such as when he turned into a fish instead of a shark in Phorcys's aquarium ("I freaked", ("Sorry, I'm stuck [ as a fish], that happens when I panick"). Percy is also a very quick fighter, if he manages to wound Frank quickly (which is very likely) then that will stop his whole shapeshifting ability for the battle. After Frank got the blessing of Mars,he could turn into animals that he doesn't know well.And also bees are known to fly really quickly and can withstand turbulent wind pressures so they can fly extremely fast therefore Percy probably won't have time to summon a big wave.And they'd have to start apart so Percy won't have time to wound Frank if they start apart.