Do you think he should have a Viria art? So far he only has the Graphic novel and Read Riordan art.
Alright, so I don't think 'quote' is the right word for the name, but it seems best suitable for the name.
So, basically, I give out various 'quotes' from the same character in different books, and you vote on which one you like most.
“Oh, I suppose I must say it. Welcome to Camp Half-Blood. There. Now, don’t expect me to be glad to see you.” -The Lightning Thief
“I do not transport livestock. That’s your problem.” -The Titan's Curse.
"But remember, boy, that a kind act can sometimes be as powerful as a sword." -The Battle of the Labyrinth.
"I will deny I ever said this, of course, but the gods need heroes. They always have. Otherwise we would not keep you annoying little brats around.” -The Last Olympian.
“Now you understand how miserable I’ve been. Finally, someone got punished even more harshly than me!” -The Tower of Nero.
"Even strength has to bow to wisdom sometimes.” -Annabeth Chase, The Lightning Thief.
Okay, so this has been on my mind recently as I've seen several posts about this in the last month or so. So today, I'll be talking about Dionysus and why he's actually an important figure.
I have seen many under the impression that because Dionysus is a god of just wine, he's the least amongst the Olympians. The books also seem to agree at times. And on here, several people have said that Hestia was more important or that Ares was more powerful or several other things of the like. I disagree and would like to share my thoughts on why.
Firstly, he's an Olympian god. This seems fairly obvious, but it is worth mentioning. He is one of the twelve most important gods who rule the world. This, almost off principle, makes him very important, though not always (*cough* Hestia *cough*). Luckily for our Wine Dude, he is important.
Okay, so now that I think the most obvious point is out of the way, I'd like to take a look at his stories. See, Dionysus wasn't always Dionysus. In Orphic tradition, he was once Zagreus. For context, Zagreus is a chthonic god and often referred to as the "highest" or "greatest of the gods".
In most stories, he's a son of Zeus by Persephone (don't think too hard about that) and set in line to be the next king of the cosmos. But Hera didn't like this. She went to some Titans and got them to kill the child (he was a child at this point). The Titans ripped him apart and ate him (keep an eye on this). The gods, as far as I know it was Athena who personally did it but I'm not sure, were able to retrieve Zagreus' heart.
This heart was then placed in Semele and then you have the rest of Dionysus' most well known birth story. But back to Zagreus. Because of Dionysus' connection to Zagreus, he gained a more chthonic aspect. Zagreus was the "greatest of the gods", but he was a very important Underworld figure. Some myths even present Hades as his father, or as Zagreus actually being Hades himself. From this, Dionysus is comparable to one of the powerful sons of Cronus.
Another thing to point out is that we don't fully appreciate Dionysus in the context of the culture. He's often played out to be an eternally drunk, immortal man-child (which is closer to how Silenus is presented in the myths). And we often agree, presenting him as a god of wine and drunkenness more than anything. But in the context of the culture, specifically his cult, drunkenness was to touch the mind or spirit of a god. The Cult of Dionysus was... well... you can tell they worshipped a god of madness. But to them, getting as positively drunk as possible was to truly connect with Dionysus himself.
Speaking of his cult, this is where Dionysus eventually became important. Dionysus is old, possibly even outdating Hades as a figure in mythology, but he wasn't widely accepted. For a long time, his cult was not widely accepted and even repressed at times. Eventually, a shift occurred when everyone realized that everyone else likes to get drunk too. I'm not even exaggerating.
While it was specifically the Greek kings who usually pushed against the rather crazy cult, they didn't uphold that sentiment forever. Eventually, these kings became very interested in a certain cult because we all know from history that rulers like throwing extravagant parties. With Dionysus' cult now backed with political importance, Dionysus himself became more important. This fame propelled the god onto an Olympian throne (which, no, Hestia didn't give him).
People often think that his domain is lesser, which is understandable. His fellow Olympians generally cover what was generally seen as most important. But at the same time, that's modern reasoning hindering us from truly looking at mythology. For example, a marriage goddess easily defeated an animal and hunting goddess. From a modern perspective, that doesn't seem logical. A mortal demigod managed to beat back Death, harm Hades, defeat Ares in combat, and hold his own against Apollo. And originally, the sun and moon deities weren't even Olympians, despite those being almost always very important in almost every culture. Our modern reasoning often makes us envision a god that the Greeks wouldn't recognize.
Dionysus to the Greeks was a terrifying and beautiful god of death, rebirth, and madness who led an army of mythical creatures that ripped people to shreds (this is actually a direct parallel to Zagreus' death). In some stories, he accompanied Selene on nights of the full moon to bring madness. In others, he went down to the Underworld and took his mother away. She even became a goddess. He was a god of the arts, specifically the theater. He also had close ties with fertility and nature.
I mean, for a large part of his history, he literally had horns. Amongst the Olympians, he's a very rustic god, more so than the rest (save maybe Artemis). This doesn't mean that he's the weakest or least important, if anything, it shows that he's more separate from any other Olympian. He's the only Olympian to have a mortal parent. He's the only Olympian who's died and been reborn. He's the youngest Olympian, but even then, so was Cronus and Zeus.
In short, Dionysus is not just a chill, eternally drunk god. He's an Olympian god that's rather terrifying. Don't get on his bad side or you will suffer.
Anyway, your thoughts?
Zeus: "UHHHH THAT'S A 5 RIGHT THERE. HE LOOKS LIKE A FRICKING GANGSTER" 2/20
Hera: "Oooo she's pretty, 12" 12/20
Ares: "HE LOOKS LIKE A MALE VERSION OF ME! 20" 20/20
Hades: "HE LOOKS LIKE HE NEEDS SOME MENTAL HELP AND THERAPY. I CAN RELATE" 19/20
Artemis: "She looks like me. 8" 8/20
Hermes: "he looks cool, 15" 15/20
Aphrodite: "OMG OMG OMG" 10000000/20
Hestia: "OH DEAR LORDDDDD. 11!" 11/20
Hypnos: "...Why. 7" 7/20
Ganymede: "PRIDE BUDDY! 18" 18/20
Heracles: "OHHHHHH HELL NAH." 0/10
Apollo: "Are you sure that this guy isn't from FNAF? 14" 14/20
Styx: "SHE IS BOOTIFUL. 20/20"
Athena: "WAR LADYYY" 25/20
Dionysus: "his name is sus. 12" 12/20
He’s wearing a brown shirt and jeans with loafers
He has a giant red clown nose (!??)
He has curly black hair
He’s a little big (like it says in the books)
My brother imagines Dionysus to look kinda like Phil from the Disney Hercules movie except he’s as tall as a normal person and he has human legs
Bonus: Speaking of the Hercules movie, my brother wanted to talk about Meg (Megaera) once but he thought her name was Megular, rhymes with regular.
So as you can see, he needs help.
So, I am confused on something. Please someone help me out.
So, we all know Hephaestus went up to Olympus, all angry, and trapped his mother in her throne, right? And both Ares and Hermes couldn’t get Hephaestus to release her, but Dionysus did it by getting Hephaestus drunk off of wine. Hephaestus then freed her and joined the council, correct?
So, later, when Zeus was having his big headache, Hephaestus split his skull open, and popped out Athena. And later on, Athena fought in the Gigantomachy, defeating Enceladus. But Dionysus was a demigod then, and him convincing Hephaestus to free Hera implies that he was around on the council before Hephaestus and had already created his wine, and Hephaestus was around before Athena…yet Dionysus was still a demigod during the Gigantomachy, an event Athena was in. I’m just so confused right now 🤚
Adam, doesn't do much is kinda just there vibin' in the back of the room, he is believed to not have the ability to speak among the other 2 (I am just kidding)
Jack, the frontman, the one with the most emotion and would push someone over just to have more camera time
Ryan, is there pretty much jumping up and down and playing his keyboard... with rage, also the smartest
Annabeth = Ryan
Percy = Jack
Leo = Jack
Grover = Adam
Mr. D = Adam
Chiron = Ryan
Nico = All 3
Jason = Ryan
Piper = Jack
Hazel = Ryan
Frank = Adam
A. Peter Johnson 1. Frank Zhang
B. Annabelle Case 2. Leo Valdez
C. Joshua Gross 3. Piper McLean
D. Pippa McBean 4. Harry Potter
E. Theo Volume 5. Hazel Levesque
F. Hannah Leverage 6. Percy Jackson
G. Fred Zing. 7. Annabeth Chase
H. Marry Otter 8. Jason Grace
i. Ryan Westlay 9. Ron Weasley
5. Hades - I really liked Hades in the movies because he had a better personality, and was funnier.
4. Tyson - I feel like Tyson was a more real character in the movies, and I liked how he was a funny misunderstood teenager rather then this big innocent baby at heart. Also he was even a little sarcastic at times, and surprisingly, I thought this fit him really well in moderation.
3. Hermes - I love Hermes in the movies, he’s super funny and just a much better character than he was in the books and I think he should have appeared more.
2. Mr D. - Mr D is just as sarcastic and not caring about anything as he is in the books, but I feel like they built that personally better in the movies and he had some really good lines as well, like, “I am listening. You want to go on a quest. Oh, it must be Thursday!”
1. Luke - Oh my god where to start? I loved Luke in the books already, but the way they scripted him in the movies was amazing. He’s just so much more cool, collected, and confident in the movies, and he also has a lot of great lines. Luke was easily the best character in the movies in my opinion.
72 Votes in Poll
This is why Dionysus is the best god (or even the best character). He has the most amazing powers (literally driving his enemies mad, killing them with GRAPES and turning them into dolphins). He is extremely well-respected by the nature spirits, being their third-ish favourite god after Pan and Artemis. He has the most amazing character ("The next person, or horse, who calls me 'the wine dude' will end up in a bottle of merlot). He is generally charismatic and laid back, as shown in the Greek Gods. The only reason he's cranky is because he is deprived of his symbol of power, wine, and has to watch a bunch of heroes die, including his own children, which he ACTUALLY CARES FOR. To keep from suffering, he pretends to dislike demigods because it's less painful than bonding with them and then, inevitably, watching them die. Remember that Dionysus was once a demigod. Proof that he's not as mean as he looks is that he deliberately doesn't call Percy by his right name, even though he knows it. He is also extremely underrated. He does everything in the most badass way (like how he defeated the manticore). He saved Ariadne after she was heartbroken and abandoned on Naxos by Theseus. He made her IMMORTAL. Despite what everyone (albeit subconsciously) thinks, he's actually YOUNGER than Chiron. He was trained as a hero by Chiron, making him humbler, more amazing and less stuck-up than the other gods. And there are just moments where you can't help but like his character. He's given the ENTIRE SERIES to build his character.
E.g. Nico: And, whoa! You're the wine dude? No way!
Mr. D: The wine dude?
Nico: Dionysus, right? Oh wow, I've got your figurine!
Mr. D: My figurine.
Nico: In my game, Mythomagic. And a holofoil card, too! And even though you've only got like five hundred attack points and everybody thinks you're the lamest god card, I totally think your powers are sweet!
Mr. D: Well, that's... gratifying.
Hermès: He’s a Amazing father Luke and genuinely cares about his Children, for Luke’s case he couldn’t do anything but sit back and watch as his Beloved pride and joy suffered. Which he couldn’t stop it’s was his destiny and if he intervened it would’ve caused great tension. And Near the end of TLO he wanted to Percy to collect his children which most gods don’t even care for.
Dionysus: He might not be as obvious as Hermès but he definitely does care for his Children Castor and Pollux. He became upset after the death of Castor in The Battle of the Labyrinth which most gods don’t seem to care that much. He even asked Percy To take care and make sure the same fate that happened to Castor doesn’t occur to Pollux.
Would Dionysus have demigod kids with a guy or just women?
So, when we think about Dionysus, we think about this middle aged, paunchy, wine drinking dude who's always sour. But in ToA, Apollo says Dionysus had the appearance of a cute young guy before he got punished. I'm just saying... it totally changes my viewpoint on him. If he's in a younger form, I'm guessing he would be more energetic like Apollo and it would totally make sense for him to chase a nymph. (He's a male god, that's like a male god's main hobby) His children would probably be pretty cute as well. He's probably a lot nicer too. Sure he holds a grudge and acts sour, but so do you when your mad... for like 5 minutes. But gods are known for holding a grudge for a long time. And 50 years to us is like 50 months to them. We know Dionysus is capable of being nice, (We've seen like one or two examples) and Dionysus is always in a really bad mood. So imagine him being more energetic and in a good mood. He would be totally different.
But those are just my thoughts on the matter.