In ToA there is a part where Apollo sees Piper and another girl, Shel, kissing on the roof of Piper's house holding hands.
What do you think???
(Please no homophobic comments)
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Okay, I know I said no Piper, but I had a request to do this.
Part 1: All of it because Shelper literally exists for like 5 pages.
I'm barely starting The Tyrants Tomb, so I haven't seen any Shelper yet. Honestly, though, I don't think it should even have happened in the first place. Kissing Shel on a rooftop was very out of character for Piper, especially because she had literally watched her boyfriend die. Like no.
Okay, that's it for now.
Yours in demigodishness and all that,
So... I really hate this ship.
It was only for publicity. A few weeks after Jason died, she get in another relationship. Riordan's just trying to add representation to avoid backlash/criticism. In 2005-2010, support was low. No LGBTQ+ characters. Then in 2010-2015, it spiked up and one character was confirmed LGBTQ+. In 2015-2020, Support was a lot higher and sorta reached a peak. Apollo was bi, JosephinexHemithea happened, Lavinia was lesbian, Solangelo, Lavinia x Poison Oak, Fierrochase, Alex Fierro, and Piper. I don't hate LGBTQ+, but almost all the characters got together off screen and the ships were pretty rushed. Anyway, Shelper took only a few weeks to get together after she saw Jason DIE and lost everything.
There was no foreshadowing towards it. After all the Piper povs in HoO, we don't get any of her actually questioning her sexuality. It's just 'I got a gf, I'm bi now.' Piper was seen kissing a girl we don't know on a roof, and that's it.
Is Piper actually bi? Her whole reasoning for breaking up with Jason is 'I'm gonna prove Aphrodite and Hera wrong!!11!' so wasn't her getting together with a girl just trying to prove the goddesses wrong and "breaking the mold, not being forced with Jason?"
Ok, but like why do people dislike this so much? I get that it's rushed, and kind of comes out of left field, but a relationship that is featured for like 2 pages doesn't exactly need much development, does it? And even if you thought Piper being bisexual/biromantic/pansexual came out of nowhere, it did feel slightly set up in TBM (albeit in hindsight). I just don't really get why people dislike a relationship that is largely inconsequential to the story and doesn't really need development if it's never going to come up again. Maybe I'm just biased because I'm such a fan and I want everything Rick does to be perfect, but Piper being bi/pan made sense to me in hindsight and it felt like a pretty natural place to end, and I didn't really care who Shel was because I knew she wasn't going to appear again.
Look, all I'm saying is that Shel better be one of the characters in the upcoming series. Who's with me?
I checked Official Posts but there wasn't a "favourite ships" post like the guideline said there was- so screw it.
It's a trend, but I'm a weird person (i choose the unpopular sides sometimes). I'll be trying to hit all the main ones here from PJO, HoO, and maybe ToA series. Just to be clear, I'm not here for any arguments in the comments, just some opposition (I'm prone to choosing the unpopular sides so don't get too mad if I trigger you)
Percy and Annabeth (Percabeth): 90%
As the most common (and popular) ship in the whole series, it's widely shipped by most fandom users. And yes, I'm in that group. Percabeth is one of that cliche "meant to be" (OTP), but it's still sweet and I support it completely.
Jason and Piper (Jasper): 65%
Erk. This one is heavy "thumbs downed" on from a majority of the fandom, quoting "toxic". I do agree that everything was rushed and not the best relationship, but still, I don't hate it.
Shel and Piper (Is there even a ship name yet?): 45%
Haven't completely comprehended Tower of Nero yet (I read it though), I was a bit shocked by the sudden change. After getting over Jason's death, she immediately started dating a Cherokee girl named Shel. It's a bit sudden, even if Jasper's relationship wasn't perfect.
Maybe if Piper's personality changed, I would be more supportive. I'm usually one who loves LGBTQ+ ships (especially Solangelo), but this one made me question a bit.
Leo and Calypso (Caleo): 30%
I got it, they "love" each other. Leo was determined to get back to Calypso, but I can tell that they might not work out in the future. Calypso was cursed to love any hero that stumbled on her island, and Leo was no different.
Sure, they can be heads-over-heels now, but Calypso's background and personality make this ship 30% for me.
Frank and Hazel (Frazel): 95%
Finally. Frazel is, undeniably, one of my favourite ships of all time in HoO. I don't look at pedo related posts, so I didn't really care about age. The fact that they both love each other genuinely with no Titan-cast spells or wiped memories makes this on the top... unless-
Nico and Will (Solangelo): 98%
Ok, take back what I wrote on Frazel, Solangelo is my favourite.
"Do you want to be my buddy?"
"You are a dork."
Nico fought through so many things, like Tartarus, his father/mother, Bianca/Hazel, his mysterious past with the Lotus Hotel, and, shockingly, love.
Nothing to say about this except this is my favourite ship.
Tyson and Ella (Tysella): 85%
Forgot about this one, huh? As an underrated ship, Tyson is one adorable person, and Ella is no different.
Percy and Rachel (Perachel): 15%
Does this need any explaining? Even without Annabeth in the equation, Rachel isn't meant to be with Percy. Rachel's a good character, but Percy and her won't work out smoothly.
Grover and Juniper (Juniver): 74%
Doink. Juniper is that crying dryad when Grover looks for Pan, right? That means attachment, but this isn't my favourite ship (s). I think they'll be perfect together but I wasn't really interested in Grover's girlfriend.
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I need a face claim for Shel, and a last name, if anyone has one? Face claims for other characters would be appreciated too. (I'm considering Ashley Sky, and I'm using Kelsey Chow for Piper)
Recently, I saw a fascinating Quora post about someone (Violet Jareeson) who was voicing how they liked Shelper more than Jiper and I thought I would share it with y'all:
"Unpopular opinion but I actually really like the pairing of Piper and Shel from Tower of Nero.
I couldn’t get behind Jiper. I mean if one person’s entire memories have to be taken away and the other has to have fake memories implanted in their head, for them to get together, whats the point? Our memories make us who we are and in their case, both of theirs got played with.
In The Lost Hero, Piper says that they’re not going to let the memories affect them but in the last book of the series, Piper tells Jason about their rooftop kiss memory and jason recreates it for her. So she’s still kinda clinging to memory Jason. It would be difficult for Piper to separate Hera’s version of jason in her head to the actual Jason before her. And I think thats why they eventually broke up. It also makes complete sense for it to happen after the war when everythings settled down and Piper can finally focus on herself and what she wants, instead of giving her all for the quest.
Throughout the series I also felt like Piper was doing things she didnt like. For instance, Piper hates surfing, yet because her dad enjoys it and she wants to bond with him, so she surfs. Piper hates everything aphrodite and yet gets a makeover without her permission, even missing the zit on her face. Piper doesn’t like what charmspeak does to people so far she felt like crying when she used it on the monster to get the cornucopia but its her power and people expect her to use it so she does. And even Jason, Hera expects Piper to get with Jason, going so far as to give her dreams of a future with Jason. Its like trying to say, you’re unsure?, well look at what you could have. Instead of just letting her come to her own decision. I also feel like there was a lot of pressure for them to get together as a unifying symbol between the Roman and Greek camps but it takes into no consideration of either of their feelings.
Also Piper is constantly comparing her relationship with Percabeth and even Frazel (and Frazel was together for even less time). Yeah people feel insecure in relationships but do they actually compare them to other relationships of they are actually happy in theirs.
After the stable incident, Piper says she wishes Jason would break more rules but thats not in him. She says that Reyna probably likes that about him and quickly tries to assert that she likes that about him too.
Piper and Jason had a very surface level relationship to me -only compliments. Anything against eachother they kept to themselves like when Piper was disappointed in Jason for asking her to charmspeak Reyna or when Jason wondered if Piper was charmspeaking him to not think about Reyna.
I’m happy for Piper and Shel because there were no expectations for them to get together. Shel isn’t even a demigod. Piper gets with her on entirely her own feelings and that’s good enough for me. I love seeing Piper do something for herself for a change."
As a person who is still in complete shock about Jason dying and in shock about the fact they are not bringing him back AND in shock about Jasper breaking up, Im neutral. Of course I support anyone loving who they like, because thats being human, but I just feel off about this in a way. So lets start from the beginning.
The breakup of Jasper and Jasper all together.
So whenever I look at things about Jasper in general, I see things like it was built on a lie. I personally disagree. I recently re read the Lost Hero so I could present more evidence. So as everyone knows Jasons memory is wiped because thanks Hera. Anyways Piper and Leo and everyone at the Wilderness School was given fake memories by Hera to make it look like Jason belongs there. Piper was given memories of being in a relationship with Jason. Up until the point where they get taken to CHB, Piper is completely clueless about whats going on. Then ofc when she gets to CHB Annabeth explains everything to Piper about what happened to Jason and Piper and Leo. Throughout the rest of the book we have multiple incidents where Jason calls Piper cute or beautiful etc. Jason has lost all his memory and still loves Piper, not just for her looks, but for her personality as well. And from what I can tell Piper loves Jason back, the relationship seems pretty genuine to me. Piper could start over and choose not to love Jason or not to re kindle her relation ship with him, but she chooses too, not a god or goddess. And their relationship is pretty healthy and good. And over the course of the rest of HoO they bond together more, getting to know more things about each other.
The breakup and the death of Jason.
So from what I can remember Piper broke up with Jason because she was feeling rebellious in a way and wanted to choose things for herself because she was free of a prophecy. But as I stated earlier Piper did choose things for herself. I dont think the breakup was necessary, maybe they shouldve just taken a break from eachother, not a complete breakup. Now on to Jason dying. It hit me so hard when he died. Like I barely know so much about this guy but then he gets stabbed by a dead roman emperor then dies. Like it doesnt feel right. Jason wasnt directly involved with this quest either. He didnt have to do it. But then he dies, and let me tell you I was devastated. He didnt deserve to die.
So theres a little part where Piper and a new character Shell, are on a rooftop kissing. Now the ship wasn't necessarily confirmed 100% by Piper, she had just said that Shell was a family friend. Now Im just gonna assume that they are in a relationship. First of all I love that Rick put in a Bi character because I love that. But honestly I think its been mere months since Jason died, Piper could just be on a rebound. Also if I had a boyfriend who died I wouldnt wanna be in a relation ship for a while. I just feel like while it was satisfying to see piper get a good ending, Shelper just felt off to me in the sense of how fast it was after Jasons death. Anyways I hope this helps and if anyone has the need to be mean please dont. Alright P.s my friend helpeed me write this
Hi everyone! You may have seen some of my posts like this before, but I haven’t made one in a long time. I did do Piper once, but the post got deleted soon after and I feel like the content was incomplete, so I’m going to remake it, even better than before. Hope you enjoy!
Lets start by talking about Jiper. So, I know a lot of people are still mad about Rick breaking them up, and I too was upset at first, but it had to happen. Piper didn’t feel happy with Jason anymore, so ending it was a healthy choice on her part. I shipped Jiper while it lasted, but I think it’s time for us to move on. In real life, things don’t work and not every couple is a Percabeth.
Now, time to discuss Shiper. This existence of this ship is a fairly controversial topic, and in most cases, you either love it or you hate it. Although you are entitled to your own opinions, I’m hoping that I can swing a few haters towards the other side of the spectrum. Many people say that it was way too soon for Piper to start a new relationship, but I disagree. By the time Piper and Shel were together, it had been three months since Jason’s death and somewhere around eight months since they had broken up. Saying that Piper shouldn’t be with someone yet is like saying that Percy and Annabeth shouldn’t have gotten together after Luke died, just because Annabeth used to love him. And they got together on the day that Luke died, so...
I’ve been seeing an increasingly large amount of Pipabeth shippers on the wiki lately, so this one definitely requires discussion. People often say that the behavior in their friendship is rather flirty, but I disagree. They have a running joke of stealing each other’s breakfasts, but that strikes me as totally normal. My friends and I always try to steal candy out of each other’s lunch boxes at school. This ship just seems to lack chemistry, and after all, not every good friendship becomes something more.
Okay, this ship is an increasingly popular one that I might even see more of than Pipabeth. It’s Pipercy. This one makes even less sense to me, since they aren’t even really close friends like Piper and Annabeth. At the peak of their friendship, they were romantically involved with Annabeth and Jason respectively, and at present, Percy and Annabeth are going to college with their relationship intact, and Piper has a new chance for happiness in Oklahoma. All in all, Pipercy does not seem like a realistic romance.
Now, time to discuss one of the most common Piper McLean ships, Liper. This one doesn’t seem quite as out there as some other fanon ships, but it still doesn’t seem realistic. Piper does kiss Leo on the cheek several times and show affection for him, but there’s nothing romantic about it. He is like a brother to Piper, and she even goes as far as calling him ‘the annoying little brother she never had’. Although they are incredibly close, their relationship is not romantic.
Now, time for another nonsensical fanon ship that I recently discovered. Pipeyna. Yes, you heard me right. Piper and Reyna. I believe at this point, people are just trying to ship Reyna with anyone and everyone, as she’s still single. Although Piper and Reyna are friends, they don’t have the chemistry required for a realistic relationship, and I just can’t see this working, especially since Reyna is a Hunter of Artemis and Piper is with Shel.
Now that we have hit on some of the main Piper ships, its time to talk about some of the more obscure ones. Friper. If you think I’m kidding, then think again. Some people ship Frank Zhang with Piper McLean. In the Blood of Olympus, Frank and Piper are shown to be fairly close, searching for the Pylosian Mint together, and even hugging at the end of the quest, but this isn’t enough to think they are in love. Frank and Hazel are happily together throughout all the books, and at that specific time, Piper was with Jason. And anyway, friends hug each other all the time, and that it doesn’t mean anything romantically.
After realizing that Friper exists, I’m sure you want this thing to be over, but sadly for you, I have more. Pipazel. As if Frank and Piper wasn’t bad enough, a few fans have decided that Piper and Hazel should be a thing. The two girls were shown growing closer as friends in the House of Hades, but there was nothing romantically suggestive about it. They have zero chemistry, and are both interested in other people. Sorry Pipazel shippers, but the evidence just doesn’t add up.
This is another more obscure ship, but the fact that it exists gets under my skin. It’s Niper. I have learned from experience that Nico gets shipped with pretty much everyone, but what bugs me the most is when he gets shipped with girls. He is gay, and only likes boys. That is that. Niper doesn’t have a chance.
Now, for the last and possibly the weirdest Piper ship. Thiper. If you’re thinking you need to get your eyes checked, then don’t bother. Thalia and Piper is a real ship. Discovering some of these ships made me feel disgusted, but this one just confused me. They only have one documented meeting in the books, and it just doesn’t make sense to me. Thalia is a sworn maiden, and even if she wasn’t, the chemistry for this ship went to kingdom come.
All in all, Shiper seems the most realistic ship. They have chemistry, and most importantly, their love is a two way street. Most of these other ships are a one way street, or, even more likely, no street at all. As someone who’s never dated, I’m probably not the most qualified romantic advisor, but the most important part of a relationship is that both of you love each other.
Thanks for reading everyone! I hope you enjoyed! If it caused you any internal suffering, then I apologize, and I feel your pain. If you have a specific character that you would like me to do a post like this about, please let me know in the comments. Have a good day!
Before i start this post, I would just like to say that this will include spoilers of Tower of Nero!!
So near the end of ToN we see Piper kissing a girl, Shel. This has caused some debates on Piper's sexual orientation. What do you guys think it is? I personally think she is biromantic asexual (leaning more towards guys) what do you guys think?